US Presidential Election XII

[Debra S]

Originally Posted by Hewson

If only John were running for POTUS. Joan could be his running mate.

#CusackCusack2016

lol, yep

[Debra S]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Pics or it didn't happen

Sorry, I'm low tech and I lived through it...don't want to go porno either

[Debra S]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Donald Trump raped his first wife, but that's fine because Hillary Clinton didn't divorce her husband.

evidence of rape?? sure he has been divorced, but his whole family was at the RNC

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

but his whole family was at the RNC

and?


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[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Debra S

evidence of rape?? sure he has been divorced, but his whole family was at the RNC

Not his first two wives.

[Debra S]

Originally Posted by BVS

and?


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...and, they all get along swimmingly, kids stepkids, not sure if the past wives were there, so I can't say how he does get along with his exes, that could go either way...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

...and, they all get along swimmingly, kids stepkids, not sure if the past wives were there, so I can't say how he does get along with his exes, that could go either way...

Damn, well then I'm convinced he's definitely the family values candidate. If all his children act like they get along on TV, then he gets my vote. We should definitely sweep all his indiscretions under the rug and focus on Bill. Thanks for shining the light.


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Debra S

evidence of rape?? sure he has been divorced, but his whole family was at the RNC

The American public has a right to know if Ivana Trump really did accuse her husband of raping her during their 1990 divorce proceedings, two news outlets argued Thursday when they asked a state court to take the unusual step of unsealing Donald Trump's matrimonial file.

Lawyers for the New York Times and the Gannett newspaper chain argue in papers filed in Manhattan Supreme Court that allegation — which Trump has denied — and the mogul’s views about women and the history of how he has treated the women in his life are issues in the presidential campaign for the twice divorced Republican nominee.


Divorce records are almost always sealed by law in New York State courts but the lawyers argue that judges have the power to open the record in "special circumstances" and Trump's campaign — including his statements about rival Hillary Clinton’s marital woes — make it necessary for a judge to pull back the curtain for voters.

The filing notes that a 1993 biography of Trump reported that Ivana Trump told friends that her husband had "raped" her in 1989 during a fit of rage, but during the current campaign, she issued a statement saying her words should not be "interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

People are talking

[Axver]

In case there's still somebody out there who thinks that Trump is a successful businessman who gives a shit about anybody other than himself: I Survived ‘Trump’ Magazine—Barely - POLITICO Magazine

[Debra S]

Not good news! He does need to answer for that, would he be different now...? Doesn't make me dislike Hillary any less...a "lesser of two evils" decision this cycle?

I do anticipate quite a battle when the debates start...

[corianderstem]

In a battle of intelligence or a battle of wits, there will be no 'battle' between Clinton and Trump.

It'll just be him being a petulant asshole, as usual.

[martha]

You can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

I do anticipate quite a battle when the debates start...

Because he's been such a great debater so far?

But if you mean 'quite the battle' by one side will discuss policy and one side will hurl personal insults, then yeah you're probably right.


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[Debra S]

He hasn't done badly in debates against 16 very qualified Rep candidates.

Anyone like Michael Moore? I am a big fan! (Check out the movie The Big One about American Downsizing). Here is what he has to say about Trump:

5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win | MICHAEL MOORE

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Debra S

He hasn't done badly in debates against 16 very qualified Rep candidates.

Yeah, especially that time where he was so thin skinned and realized he was incapable of debating the issues that he bowed out and attacked the moderator personally?!

True leadership material No, we won't be the laughing stock of the world. Go ahead and light this country on fire, your hatred of Hillary is well worth it.


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[Oregoropa]

Marco Ruboto self destructed on his own in that NH debate.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Marco Ruboto self destructed on his own in that NH debate.


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Yeah, which sucked, he was one of the sanest in the clown car.


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[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by BVS

Yeah, which sucked, he was one of the sanest in the clown car.


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Showed his lack of skills in that arena.


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[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Debra S

I do anticipate quite a battle when the debates start...

sure, just like the battle of tannenberg was "quite a battle".

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Someone's sexual flings should generally never be a part of the political conversation unless the politician lies about them as it leads to a lot of questions about their honesty. Bill did nothing wrong to the American people until he lied about the Lewinski affair. The affair itself was nothing worth mentioning.

My issue with Hillary is essentially lying about the reality of their marriage and also trying to slander and silence women that have come forward against Bill which is completely the opposite of feminism.

And I like how every question about Hillary Clinton's ethics at this point turns into a but Donald Trump... moment from her supporters. As if we're supposed to just go along with potential high-level corruption, smearing assault victims, etc. just because Donald Trump is also a monster.

If anything, we should only be focused on Hillary Clinton because she is the next President of the United States which is why all of this does, in fact, matter.

1. Only the two of them, and maybe Chelsea and others in the family, know the "reality of their marriage".

2. I'm a guy, but I think feminism is simply the belief that women are entitled to every single opportunity and freedom a man has and to not be denied of of said opportunities and freedoms just because they're women. One of those many freedoms is the freedom to decide to stay in a marriage after her husband has cheated on her. Millions and millions of women have been involved in the feminist movement over the decades, you think some of them didn't stay with husbands or boyfriends that cheated on them? Were all of them betraying the movement? Hell, I think your complaint might be anti-feminist because I don't think you'd be raising the issue if a male politician had decided to stay with his wife after she cheated on him.

Also, if Hillary was being nasty to those women that came forward about Bill, I'm guessing it was because those women - and I'm not including Lewinsky here because she didn't come forward, she was outed - pretty much all came forward in the manner they did, not only because their claims may have been true, but also because they wanted their fifteen minutes, their chance to ink a book deal(Gennifer Flowers released two books), their chance to be interviewed in the national media, etc. She was probably just pissed that these women were trying to tear bill - and her - down for their own gain. I mean, this is speculation on my part but it's easy to imagine.

3. As far as Bill lying...yes, he lied, and that's not good, and nobody approves of it, but at the end of the day all he did was deny having an affair he did have in front of cameras a few times. It's not good, but he's hardly the first or last politician to do that, and given the circumstances...that Republican House in the late 90s hated his guts, they were going to go on a witchhunt and Bill probably knew it. If he thought there was any chance he could keep it under wraps and avoid the the long, drawn-out Ken Starr witchhunt, you can see why he'd try.

Having extramarital affairs while in office, getting caught, and then lying about it is never good but the lie isn't always the kind of lie that makes you question whether you can trust a person in matters of state. Bill Clinton denied the affair a couple times and then within a few months copped to the whole thing. It's not the kind of lie that make one, or at least me, question if he can be trusted in office(let alone Hillary).

Nixon spending the better part of two years denying his administration's involvement in the Watergate break-in and ordering the cover-up is the kind of lie that makes you question if he can be trusted in office.

John Edwards having a senior staffer pretend to be the father of the baby he sired with his mistress for like a year, hiding them both, paying people off to keep their mouths shut, and denying paternity of the child in a highly publicized national interview on network television(he'll have to explain that to that kid when she's old enough), while all the while his wife is dying of cancer, that is the kind of disgusting deception that makes you question if he can be trusted in office.

There are degrees of deception, and Bill's, while off-putting, barely registers in the annals of politicians who have been caught lying about things.