PhilsFan
Blue Crack Addict
And then the right ripped her for complaining about it until Sarah Palin was named the VP candidate and had to do a 180 on whether or not women in politics should be allowed to complain about media coverage.
US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early
- Thread starter trojanchick99
- Start date
The friendliest place on the web for anyone that follows U2.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
- Status
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
She's generally about as far left on economic issues as a mainstream US politician could ever be, at least one with a national platform. Generally, her and Bernie Sanders (an Independent from Vermont who votes with Democrats) are the two best voices the left has. They are both well respected within the party, and speak to the base. They advocate traditional American liberal policies that were modified/abandoned by Clinton "triangulation" and his move to the right after the 1994 midterms.
They'd be mainstream, centrist candidates in most Western European democracies.
They are also not nearly as far to the left as their counterparts on the right.
What's interesting, to me, is that it's economic populism that's the red meat for the Democratic base, whereas red meat for the GOP base is now social issues.
I think the two party system(if you can call it that) works just fine. What often happens in Europe with large multiple parties in government is that coalitions are formed in order to win elections and these coalitions resemble what already happens between the Republicans and the Democrats in the United States.
Mrs. Garrison
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
How is it that she is struggling? A quick look at Real Clear Politics polling data collected over the past two days has her up double digits over every GOP candidate, some by as many as 24 points even (Carson/Cruz). The closest one i saw as Rubio, which she "only" had a 14 point lead.
I realize its very early, but clearly your definition of struggling is different than mine.
RealClearPolitics - Latest Polls
Wow, I don't think I have ever seen Hillary this strong. Clearly part of it must be the effect of formally announcing the campaign. I think they might of moved up the date for announcing because she was sliding some in older polls plus the e-mail scandal. But now, 69% support vs all the other Democratic nominees. That's just nuts. Then, CNN's results show a landslide victory or near landslide victory against every Republican candidate except maybe Rubio. This looks like a slaughter.
LuckyNumber7
Blue Crack Addict
At least your views haven't changed.
Well, I do remember you saying that that specifically wasn't the election for it. Probably hanging out for another Ross Perot.
deep
Blue Crack Addict
at this stage I think she wins in Nov 2016, with the GOP candidate in the high 40s and her in the low 50s, not a blow out, but a sizable win in the electoral college, could easily get 350 electoral votes.
I will say looking at the FOX polls that conservative seem to have more faith in, Bush is tied with her at 45 - 45. All the rest are losing to her. Also looking at the state by state polls, Rubio looks weak. I still say it will most likely be a two person race between Bush and Walker. Note that in the Wisconsin polls Walker loses to Hillary by a wider margin the many of the other GOP candidates.
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Like I prefaced it: My prediction.
deep
Blue Crack Addict
I hope Carly gets in, it will make it more fun? to watch
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
double post
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
In the US we have a tradition of 2 parties. But within those you have schisms. I would argue there are 4 parties.
GOP Establishment (Rockefeller Republicans) - Usually tied to big business lobby. Country Club Crony Capitalism type mentality. Examples Jeb Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney
Tea Party - Believe Big Centralized Government prone to corruption. Strong Constitutional Conservative. Conservative Social Issues. Examples: Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mike Lee
Blue Dog Democrat - Supports FDR + LBJ safety nets. Can be middle of the road social issues. Used to have a strong showing in Middle America. Examples: Joe Manchin, Jim Webb, Heath Shuler
Liberal Democrats - Support strong centralized government. Liberalized Social Issues. Less prone to use military. Examples: Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi
GOP Establishment (Rockefeller Republicans) - Usually tied to big business lobby. Country Club Crony Capitalism type mentality. Examples Jeb Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney
Tea Party - Believe Big Centralized Government prone to corruption. Strong Constitutional Conservative. Conservative Social Issues. Examples: Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mike Lee
Blue Dog Democrat - Supports FDR + LBJ safety nets. Can be middle of the road social issues. Used to have a strong showing in Middle America. Examples: Joe Manchin, Jim Webb, Heath Shuler
Liberal Democrats - Support strong centralized government. Liberalized Social Issues. Less prone to use military. Examples: Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi
Mrs. Garrison
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
My idea of the tea party might be different and include terms like racist, bigoted, homophobic, etc. And now that we have Ted Cruz as their current darling, add hypocrite to that list.
Mrs. Garrison
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Actually what you said was this:
The word "continue" would indicate that she is struggling currently, however as the CNN poll from RCP would indicate, she doesn't appear to be struggling currently.
She may "struggle" at some point as the election is still quite a ways out. However, if she is currently struggling by your metrics, she will still win easily. Which if you think about it, that is not exactly the definition of struggle.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
I think this is a totally reasonable breakdown, and if we were in a parliamentary system, these are probably the parties we would have. It's the nature of the presidency, I think, and the need for a one-on-one election, that makes us dependent on the two parties.
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Give me one credited example of the Tea Party being racist?
Mia Love and Tim Scott are both Tea Party Republicans
PhilsFan
Blue Crack Addict
You can't be serious. You can't actually need an example of Tea Partiers being racist.
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Yes I am asking for a specific example. Go right ahead Phils fan. (I like the Phillies too)
So is Hillary a Blue Dog or a Liberal?
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
Can anyone tell which category Oregoropa considers themself by the descriptions? lol
Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
bobsaget77
Rock n' Roll Doggie
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
bobsaget77
Rock n' Roll Doggie
By the fact that Hillary has a more liberal past than Bill. Bill moved more towards the center in 1994 and was willing to be bipartisan. So I think of him as a moderate democrat. (By today's standards)
While Hillary is about as liberal as President Obama, Pelosi, Sanders, etc.
Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
Mrs. Garrison
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
There's nothing at all racist about a gathering of angry men, mostly older and white, holding American flags upside down, many carrying confederate flags, protesting the President, his policies, and of course immigration.
They might call them self "taxed enough already" and that might be the basis of their formation. However its not a stretch to see what the root of their anger really is. It is funny that they became a party not long after the first black president was elected. How many of them complained when Bush signed TARP into law? I don't remember any complaints then...it was only after the 2008 election and Obama took office.
I doubt all of them are racists, just like i doubt the tea party would even exist had McCain been elected in 2008. That's not the factual proof you are looking for...yeah there are plenty of youtube videos of racist or borderline racist and/or bigoted behavior for all to see. I am not posting that crap here.
Most politicians are polished enough to keep their thoughts in check when speaking, of course, there is this video from 2012s Tea Party Darling, Rick Santorum, which makes you wonder if it was an unfortunate slip of the tongue or ass juices' true thoughts for all the world to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgrhJSAaYIc
Oh Ted Cruz, 2016 Tea Party darling and Santorum heir apparent, we are looking towards you to keep this tradition alive and well.
And in the interest of irony
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
Have you ever heard the phrase that you cannot use the very word when trying to define the word? There was a definition above, she doesn't actually fit in that "liberal" category, so I'm asking what definition? What stances, what past?
Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Bill governed as a Blue Dog in Arkansas. In the white house he signed DOMA. Worked with Newt on a balanced budget - surplus. Had the Blue Dog roots winning Southern States in 1992. He is essentially his own creature all together.
Hillary is a liberal democrat with a big crony capital tie into Wall Street money.
Hillary is a liberal democrat with a big crony capital tie into Wall Street money.
bobsaget77
Rock n' Roll Doggie
After doing some more research on this, I believe that Hillary is somewhere kinda in between. I guess she's not as liberal as Warren and Sanders in regards to issues like Israel and Social Security, so I'll admit I slightly overstated her liberalism.
However, she is still thoroughly liberal with issues like taxes and social issues. She is a strong proponent of pro-choice and gay marriage, while also advocating an increase in taxes, especially on higher income people.
I'm interested to see how and if her stances have changed since 2008. She'll be under significant scrutiny by her liberal base, so it'll be interesting to see if she cracks down to more liberalism this go around.
Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
nbelcik
Refugee
- Joined
- Jul 31, 2011
- Messages
- 1,592
The entire birther movement qualifies as racist. Hmm, I wonder why they don't believe Obama is a "real American." There's something different about Obama that sets him apart from the other 43 presidents we've had. I just can't put my finger on it.
Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
There were many conservatives who were unhappy with the Government spending under Bush. They became aware and furious with TARP. The true seedlings of the Tea Party began with Rick Santelli's rant on the floor of the Chicago Merc Exchange about mortgage bailouts. The emergency stimulus and Auto bailouts added to the frustration of the newly formed Tea party.
- Status
Similar threads
Latest posts
-
-
-
-
-
3 Irishmen and a Dutchman Walk Into A Sphere - General Discussion Thread Part III
- Latest: Headache in a Suitcase
-
-
-
