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Old 07-26-2015, 04:44 PM   #941
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Honestly, the majority of this camp scare me. With Mitt, I knew it would be wrong for the country but he didn't scare me per se, but I'm not sure which one of these clowns in the car I'd settle for?


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First of all, alternative media is overtaking the mainstream media more and more. People have caught on to the system. WHO ELSE is saying that Citizen's United was a horrendous decision and that billionaires and corporations shouldn't be able to choose our president? People are hearing that and the message is resonating. It's up to every one of us, including you - if you like him support him and spread the word.

And a vote for him is NOT a vote for the Republican - this is the primaries. He has no intention of playing spoiler running in a third party.

Finally, Obama gave up saying that Republicans are awful awful awful people - kind of like he was half on their side. Look who supported fast track of the TPP - Obama and a majority of Republicans. Bernie Sanders would not tire of shaming the Republicans and he WOULD ask the American people to deliver senators and representatives that shared his vision. No, he won't be a miracle worker, but I'd much rather have someone fighting to go forward than the status quo (Hillary) and a step backwards (Republicans).

I'm a progressive. I AM more informed than "moderates" (Third Way Dems) and Republicans. We NEED someone like Bernie Sanders if we are going to do anything about our BIG problems. Hillary won't demand anything of corps and millionaires to revive our middle class.

We need a complete change of mindset.

I'm not the kook, I'm just not settling for the status quo until I have no choice. The primaries are ahead of us not behind us. If you like Bernie convince 10 others. Now isn't the time to write him off.
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Honestly, the majority of this camp scare me. With Mitt, I knew it would be wrong for the country but he didn't scare me per se, but I'm not sure which one of these clowns in the car I'd settle for?


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I made that point when I was roasted for voting third party. Mitt wasn't a lunatic, just a panderer.

I'm much more worried with most of these candidates, Bush aside.
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First of all, alternative media is overtaking the mainstream media more and more. People have caught on to the system. WHO ELSE is saying that Citizen's United was a horrendous decision and that billionaires and corporations shouldn't be able to choose our president? People are hearing that and the message is resonating. It's up to every one of us, including you - if you like him support him and spread the word.

And a vote for him is NOT a vote for the Republican - this is the primaries. He has no intention of playing spoiler running in a third party.

Finally, Obama gave up saying that Republicans are awful awful awful people - kind of like he was half on their side. Look who supported fast track of the TPP - Obama and a majority of Republicans. Bernie Sanders would not tire of shaming the Republicans and he WOULD ask the American people to deliver senators and representatives that shared his vision. No, he won't be a miracle worker, but I'd much rather have someone fighting to go forward than the status quo (Hillary) and a step backwards (Republicans).

I'm a progressive. I AM more informed than "moderates" (Third Way Dems) and Republicans. We NEED someone like Bernie Sanders if we are going to do anything about our BIG problems. Hillary won't demand anything of corps and millionaires to revive our middle class.

We need a complete change of mindset.

I'm not the kook, I'm just not settling for the status quo until I have no choice. The primaries are ahead of us not behind us. If you like Bernie convince 10 others. Now isn't the time to write him off.

This is nice and all, but none of it is concrete. There were no real answers. Saying "people are catching on" is not a real answer. This is the problem with his campaign.

Be careful about "alternative media". Conservatives are kicking ass in that medium, they are utilizing it much more effective than anyone else, but the problem is they are just preaching to the choir echo chambers. They have now created a constituent that doesn't bother in fact checking and will believe in Muslim drones confiscating guns in Texas.


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Honestly, the majority of this camp scare me. With Mitt, I knew it would be wrong for the country but he didn't scare me per se, but I'm not sure which one of these clowns in the car I'd settle for?


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I think the following few are rational human beings, in the way that Mitt was a rational human being:

Jeb Bush
Kasich
Pataki

Maybe:

Christie
Rubio


The rest are terrifying.
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And Obama has been vocally opposed to Citizens United since it was decided, remember him calling it out in the SOTU? And Alito was seen shaking his head on TV?
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Alright then enjoy supporting the NY Yankees, I mean super PAC / status quo / weather vane Hillary - I'll be voting for the guy with integrity.

Maybe you can be slow on the up take and support Bernie if and when it's safe. I'll be one of the guys trying to make that happen.
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I think the following few are rational human beings, in the way that Mitt was a rational human being:

Jeb Bush
Kasich
Pataki

Maybe:

Christie
Rubio
As in not so much at all.

Vote for NO REPUBLICANS. Their platform is protect the wealthy / corporations / military industrial complex at all costs - NONE of them are reasonable - ESPECIALLY since they close ranks and block vote for GARBAGE LEGISLATION every time. ALL of them are a menace. VILE human beings and dumb people.

Nothing positive and a bankrupt proven false platform and ideology...especially on economics and the welfare of working people.
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That's great, Obama is against Citizens United - WHO is going to DO something about it?
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Alright then enjoy supporting the NY Yankees, I mean super PAC / status quo / weather vane Hillary - I'll be voting for the guy with integrity.

Maybe you can be slow on the up take and support Bernie if and when it's safe. I'll be one of the guys trying to make that happen.
All we're asking for is reality based answers. It's pretty simple, if you have answers we haven't thought of yet, please let us know.

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That's great, Obama is against Citizens United - WHO is going to DO something about it?

See?! This is what what I've been saying. You don't even have your facts straight as to who is for or against what...

Many of us are on the same page as you, we're just asking for specifics. We're not the enemy.


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We create our own reality. Reality in 2007 was the BVS's of the US thought nobody would elect a black man yet they did.

Quit acting so hopeless, it's kind of pathetic.

WE DO control our own destiny - but you run along and play despair.

Like I said, I'll vote for Hillary in the general if the BVS's of the United States vote for and nominate Hillary because nobody would vote for Bernie.

And ALL you are getting with Hillary is maybe a few sane Supreme Court justices - I'd like to see more happen than that..
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We create our own reality. Reality in 2007 was the BVS's of the US thought nobody would elect a black man yet they did.

Quit acting so hopeless, it's kind of pathetic.

WE DO control our own destiny - but you run along and play despair.

Like I said, I'll vote for Hillary in the general if the BVS's of the United States vote for and nominate Hillary because nobody would vote for Bernie.

And ALL you are getting with Hillary is maybe a few sane Supreme Court justices - I'd like to see more happen than that..
Please stop.
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I have a few right wing friends on Facebook. They, and the people who comment on their posts, really do exist in a totally different reality than the rest of us. A reality where they"mainstream media" is lies, and conspiracy theories are embraced and facts that they dislike are dismissed as being media-created pieces of the "narrative" that the powers-that-be fashion to further their own interests.

I've also seen some of this on the Left. Talk about how "the bankers" control everything, how Iranian state run media gives us the real truth about the Palestinians, etc.

It's amazing. I think we have a touch of that here.
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Twochords, you're making some odd and, frankly, ill-informed assumptions. I'm pretty sure the BVS's of the United States happily voted for Obama.

It might help to actually get to know what someone's political views are before using them as a scapegoat.
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