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Old 07-23-2015, 08:23 PM   #921
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Yeah as said above, a parliamentary system would also be nice.
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Old 07-24-2015, 07:15 PM   #922
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Hillary Clinton said this at a rally yesterday.

“I mean if we’re honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear,” Clinton said.

Imagine if a Republican had said that.

Hillary Clinton: Let's Be Honest, Black Men In Hoodies Are Scary
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Hillary's awful, that's nothing new.
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Old 07-24-2015, 08:07 PM   #924
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Hillary Clinton said this at a rally yesterday.



“I mean if we’re honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear,” Clinton said.



Imagine if a Republican had said that.



Hillary Clinton: Let's Be Honest, Black Men In Hoodies Are Scary

Click bait, I hate the state of web "journalism". All sides do it, and it will be the death of information. Don't fall for it.


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Old 07-25-2015, 12:05 AM   #925
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Or, you could get the quote and its context from a source other that a right-wing scaremonger.

Hillary Clinton addresses U.S. racism problem in S.C. - NY Daily News

In a Change From 2008, Clinton Talking Often About Race - ABC News
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Yeah, at this point, this stuff is refreshing to hear from Hillary. Many of us have been talking about it indefinitely but for it to become mainstream should be a positive.


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Hillary's awful, that's nothing new.

Except what she's saying is 100% true. It's completely tragic and awful that it is true, of course, but that doesn't make it less true.


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The people of the United States would be wise to elect Bernie Sanders. He is the only candidate that tells you exactly what is going on and what needs to change. He is the only candidate that really wants to knock off a lot of the bull shit that is going on. He is the only candidate that truly wants everybody to do alright in this country. He is the only candidate that will tell you that a few have way too much and too many have way too little. This is the way we need to go. We can vote Republican and go backwards or we can vote for Hillary and hope we don't slide too far backwards as she sticks with the status quo and does some useless nibbling around the edges. If we want to go forward we have to elect Bernie Sanders and many more like him as reps and senators.
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US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early

If we want to keep arch conservatives off the Supreme Court and not get ourselves into any more stupid wars in the Middle East (or elsewhere) we need a Democrat who can win. Winning is everything.

So far, Sanders has not shown he can reach out and speak to blacks and Hispanics and get them to turn out on Election Day. Democrats need those votes to win, just as the GOP needs evangelicals to win. We know the Clinton machine can turn them out. Bernie may prove he can do this, and that would be great. But so far, while I understand his great appeal, he seems like a familiar white progressive candidate who progressive whites get excited about early in the primaries (Bill Bradley, Howard Dean) but who can't perform when it comes down to getting votes.

As of today, I would choose HRC over Sanders for this reason, even if I might prefer many of Bernie's actual positions and policies.
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If we want to keep arch conservatives off the Supreme Court and not get ourselves into any more stupid wars in the Middle East (or elsewhere) we need a Democrat who can win. Winning is everything.

So far, Sanders has not shown he can reach out and speak to blacks and Hispanics and get them to turn out on Election Day. Democrats need those votes to win, just as the GOP needs evangelicals to win. We know the Clinton machine can turn them out. Bernie may prove he can do this, and that would be great. But so far, while I understand his great appeal, he seems like a familiar white progressive candidate who progressive whites get excited about early in the primaries (Bill Bradley, Howard Dean) but who can't perform when it comes down to getting votes.

As of today, I would choose HRC over Sanders for this reason, even if I might prefer many of Bernie's actual positions and policies.


This sums it up for me as well.



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That is what you call a self-fulfilling prophecy - liking Sanders, preferring Sanders, but voting for Clinton because you don't think people will vote for Sanders.

People need to get their shit together - Bernie Sanders is REAL. There is ZERO BS there. He will DEMAND things of Congress that corrupt / bought off presidents won't.

Bernie would be the best choice for blacks and Hispanics...for all of us.

The American people need to get it together.

I think they will learn more about him as this thing closes in - I think Bernie's numbers are better now than Obama's were at this time in 2007.

PS - Bernie's no bull style gets him quite a few Republican / conservative votes...and I heard he is doing better than Hillary in swing states - the few states that decide who wins.

We need to make him our candidate in the primaries - then fall back on Hillary for the general if the American people fail to recognize a good decent candidate when they see one.
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That is what you call a self-fulfilling prophecy - liking Sanders, preferring Sanders, but voting for Clinton because you don't think people will vote for Sanders.

People need to get their shit together - Bernie Sanders is REAL. There is ZERO BS there. He will DEMAND things of Congress that corrupt / bought off presidents won't.

Bernie would be the best choice for blacks and Hispanics...for all of us.

The American people need to get it together.

I think they will learn more about him as this thing closes in - I think Bernie's numbers are better now than Obama's were at this time in 2007.

PS - Bernie's no bull style gets him quite a few Republican / conservative votes...and I heard he is doing better than Hillary in swing states - the few states that decide who wins.

We need to make him our candidate in the primaries - then fall back on Hillary for the general if the American people fail to recognize a good decent candidate when they see one.


I've seen this movie before, when it was called Bill Bradley. And the sequel when it was called Howard Dean. All were remakes of the 1972 movie George McGovern.

The Obama 2008 campaign was a potentially once-in-a-lifetime political phenomenon, and he just barely beat Clinton in the primaries.

I'm glad you like Bernie. I like him too. But I'm not convinced he can pull the turnout necessary to win the White House. Yet.

Turnout, turnout, turnout. That's how it's done. I'm a gay white progressive living in a major city. My vote is guaranteed. It's not me I'm worried about. It's if the not-Republican candidate can get people who are different from me to vote for them. That's part of what the concern is -- it doesn't matter if Bernie has better policies; he has to get elected.
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He will DEMAND things of Congress that corrupt / bought off presidents won't.

I would love to know how this works in real life.


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If we want to keep arch conservatives off the Supreme Court and not get ourselves into any more stupid wars in the Middle East (or elsewhere) we need a Democrat who can win. Winning is everything.

So far, Sanders has not shown he can reach out and speak to blacks and Hispanics and get them to turn out on Election Day. Democrats need those votes to win, just as the GOP needs evangelicals to win. We know the Clinton machine can turn them out. Bernie may prove he can do this, and that would be great. But so far, while I understand his great appeal, he seems like a familiar white progressive candidate who progressive whites get excited about early in the primaries (Bill Bradley, Howard Dean) but who can't perform when it comes down to getting votes.

As of today, I would choose HRC over Sanders for this reason, even if I might prefer many of Bernie's actual positions and policies.


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And my axe... Er... Vote.

I like Bernie. I loved Howard Dean. One public gaffe like Dean's and you already know what's going to happen...

And it just so happens that Bernie has an incredibly cringe-worthy folk album from the 80s that might just do it.
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Thing is Bernie is for real, and people come away STRONGLY supporting him after listening to him.

And how many 10,000 people rallies did Howard Dean have at this stage of the game?

And how many people wished they did not quit on Dean because of a stupid scream?

As I said before it's time for the American people to stop being children.

Bernie is the ONLY "different kind of candidate" - the only candidate willing to overturn the money changers tables.

Yes, the electorate is stupid. It's way past time they stop being stupid.
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I like Bernie. I loved Howard Dean. One public gaffe like Dean's and you already know what's going to happen...

And it just so happens that Bernie has an incredibly cringe-worthy folk album from the 80s that might just do it.
And if the American people are willing to elect a Scott Walker over Bernie Sanders bad folk album than they deserve Scott Walker policy.

If people don't recognize a teeth kicking machine for a teeth kicking machine, then a good kick in the teeth ought to wake them up finally.
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Thing is Bernie is for real, and people come away STRONGLY supporting him after listening to him.

And how many 10,000 people rallies did Howard Dean have at this stage of the game?

And how many people wished they did not quit on Dean because of a stupid scream?

As I said before it's time for the American people to stop being children.

Bernie is the ONLY "different kind of candidate" - the only candidate willing to overturn the money changers tables.

Yes, the electorate is stupid. It's way past time they stop being stupid.


He's also not Santa Claus.
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Thing is Bernie is for real, and people come away STRONGLY supporting him after listening to him.

And how many 10,000 people rallies did Howard Dean have at this stage of the game?

And how many people wished they did not quit on Dean because of a stupid scream?

As I said before it's time for the American people to stop being children.

Bernie is the ONLY "different kind of candidate" - the only candidate willing to overturn the money changers tables.

Yes, the electorate is stupid. It's way past time they stop being stupid.

I admire your optimism. But instead of repeating yourself over and with the "Bernie is REAL", because honestly that doesn't mean or say much these days, Trump's supporters think he's "real".

Let's discuss the two biggest obstacles to your plight.

ONE: how do you suggest he gets elected? No generalities, I'm honestly curious as to how you believe he'll break ALL precedent and win over the big names and money? Specifics.

TWO: how do you honestly see Bernie turning over the tables? Any president, no matter what side of the aisle has to work within the system, and those that plan on getting anything done have to compromise, and as we've seen with Obama, even when trying to work within the system the others will do everything to block or say 'no' even at the cost of the American people.

I'm not suggesting settling or rolling over to the system, but I am saying even if Sanders did win don't expect the tables to be fully turned over. You sound a little bit like the Obama/ messiah voters that the Tea Party folks tried to create, and I think you're going to have to introduce a little more reality if you really want to further his cause.

If you can find a realistic way of getting him the votes, then I'd vote for him in a second, but as it stands NOW a vote for him is a vote for the R.


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As long as Scott Walker doesn't win. Seriously has devastated Wisconsin.


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