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Old 06-19-2015, 06:26 PM   #681
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I have been to Saskatoon (on business) and while there really isn't much to write home about it is INFINITELY better than Edmonton, Regina or Winnipeg. At least Saskatoon is sort of...quaint.

And to stay on topic, sort of, the metric system rocks and it amazes me that people are mocking the suggestion of migrating to the system the rest of the world uses as some sort of a joke platform. Surely not the biggest issue facing America today, but a worthwhile conversation.
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We're one of three (or some ridiculously low number like that) countries in the world that don't use the metric system.

I mean, I can't imagine that converting would be anything but a total headache ... is that the reason we're hanging onto it? Because the thought of changing everything in our existence over to metric makes everyone just go lie down and cry?

Frankly, I can see that being a valid reason.
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I have been to Saskatoon (on business) and while there really isn't much to write home about it is INFINITELY better than Edmonton, Regina or Winnipeg. At least Saskatoon is sort of...quaint.
I had decided a while back that I wanted to drive to Edmonton. Prairies, middle of nowhere to get there, etc. Now it's the Western history that's got me interested. I really liked Boise, so somehow I'm thinking I'll like Saskatoon.


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We're one of three (or some ridiculously low number like that) countries in the world that don't use the metric system.

I mean, I can't imagine that converting would be anything but a total headache ... is that the reason we're hanging onto it? Because the thought of changing everything in our existence over to metric makes everyone just go lie down and cry?

Frankly, I can see that being a valid reason.
I can think of 3 big reasons how it would mindfuck Americans. Temperatures in Celsius. Speed in Km/hour. And Gas in Price per liter.

There would be a huge backlash. Especially for Weather temperatures. Small talk would be impossible.
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From memory our country changed over in the mid sixties, and frankly practically anyone who was an adult then, and who is still around, continues to talk in the old units. Even the rest of us still seem to choose feet and inches for talking about people's height. Carry on.

It's a slow process, is all. But the temperatures will be the hardest part; 90 in the shade means something very bad in celsius.
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I have been to Saskatoon (on business) and while there really isn't much to write home about it is INFINITELY better than Edmonton, Regina or Winnipeg. At least Saskatoon is sort of...quaint.

And to stay on topic, sort of, the metric system rocks and it amazes me that people are mocking the suggestion of migrating to the system the rest of the world uses as some sort of a joke platform. Surely not the biggest issue facing America today, but a worthwhile conversation.

Edmonton does have a pretty kickass mall though. So there's that.

On the issues though... I do get a laugh out of how the "biggest issues" generally actually tend to be "the biggest waste of time from the biggest problems."
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I can think of 3 big reasons how it would mindfuck Americans. Temperatures in Celsius. Speed in Km/hour. And Gas in Price per liter.

There would be a huge backlash. Especially for Weather temperatures. Small talk would be impossible.
I love how Americans seem to think their fellow countrymen are just too lazy or dumb to make a transition that the rest of the planet has managed to do (excepting Burma and Liberia, which apparently have recently made the transition or are preparing to). For a country that normally likes to tout how amazing it is, this argument sure does cast the average American as astonishingly stupid.
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We absolutely should convert to the metric system, and I think the average American could handle it.

However, I do prefer Fahrenheit over Celsius for weather purposes (and that's it). Maybe by design, Fahrenheit does a good job of spreading out the typical weather temperatures over a wide range, concurrently between 0 and 100. And just stating a "decile" of that (70s, 80s, whatever) is a pretty decent way of giving someone a picture of what it feels like outside. Celsius, while a much more practical system in science, bunches the weather temperatures up in a significantly smaller range, and 1.8 times as temperature levels fit in a group of ten Celsius integers.


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0 as freezing point and 100 as boiling point makes a heap more sense than freezing point as 32 and boiling point as 212. That just seems to be numbers plucked out of thin air! The idea of Celsius seeming bunched together I guess is just perception. There already isn't that much of a meaningful distinction between 22 and 23 Celsius - there's even less between 71 and 72 Fahrenheit.

And you can just as easily say "low twenties" for Celsius as you can "seventies" Fahrenheit. Same amount of syllables, even.
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We absolutely should convert to the metric system, and I think the average American could handle it.

However, I do prefer Fahrenheit over Celsius for weather purposes (and that's it). Maybe by design, Fahrenheit does a good job of spreading out the typical weather temperatures over a wide range, concurrently between 0 and 100. And just stating a "decile" of that (70s, 80s, whatever) is a pretty decent way of giving someone a picture of what it feels like outside. Celsius, while a much more practical system in science, bunches the weather temperatures up in a significantly smaller range, and 1.8 times as temperature levels fit in a group of ten Celsius integers.


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Yep. I worked mightily to speak in Celcius when living abroad, and I came to appreciate the precision of Farenheit.
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0 as freezing point and 100 as boiling point makes a heap more sense than freezing point as 32 and boiling point as 212. That just seems to be numbers plucked out of thin air! The idea of Celsius seeming bunched together I guess is just perception. There already isn't that much of a meaningful distinction between 22 and 23 Celsius - there's even less between 71 and 72 Fahrenheit.

And you can just as easily say "low twenties" for Celsius as you can "seventies" Fahrenheit. Same amount of syllables, even.


But we can say low, mid, or upper 70s. And perhaps having grow up with it, I can fairly precisely decide what it is I should be wearing based on the difference between 72 and 77.

I'm with everyone else on everything else and obviously we should do metric, which I believe I was taught in school even if daily life is expressed otherwise -- I find kilometers kind of wussy, like doing knee-pushups, but it is pleasant and satisfying to see how quickly they fly by when you're road tripping in Europe.

Could we also talk about how the UK and Australia are in a minority of countries driving on the wrong side of the road?

We tend to think its cute and charming and antiquated and part of cultural differences, but when we behave in antiquated ways (inches, gallons) we're met with sneer and derision. What gives?
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When I was a kid, Canada was still within the first 10-15 years of conversion. We learned strictly metric measurements in school, and pretty much everything in terms of distance and packaging was in metric by then. My parents and grandparents still spoke to each other in terms of weather in Fahrenheit most of the time. The weather channel on TV reported both Fahrenheit and Celsius temperatures until I was about six years old (as "72/21" or whatever). The TV and news all stopped reporting Fahrenheit around then at the same time, then everybody stopped mentioning Fahrenheit degrees in conversation after another year or so.

Doing it gradually like this seemed to work just fine here. Nobody uses the Imperial system here anymore, and it doesn't make any sense. The only good thing to me about Imperial measurements is that it was surprisingly satisfying to see the temperature gauge in my rental car go from 99 to 100 degrees in the Mojave.
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I can think of 3 big reasons how it would mindfuck Americans. Temperatures in Celsius. Speed in Km/hour. And Gas in Price per liter.



There would be a huge backlash. Especially for Weather temperatures. Small talk would be impossible.

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I for one think it's very wise to make policy decisions on the basis of being able to have a smooth conversation with the mail carrier or the cashier at the grocery store.
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I can think of 3 big reasons how it would mindfuck Americans. Temperatures in Celsius. Speed in Km/hour. And Gas in Price per liter.
Speed will be especially hard, considering car manufacturers already put the conversion from mph to kph right there on the speedometer.

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There would be a huge backlash. Especially for Weather temperatures. Small talk would be impossible.

Yes, because all small talk is centered around the weather?

Imagine how much harder it is to say "man, it's going to be 35 degrees today" instead of "man, it's going to be 95 degrees out there!"
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You can switch over without changing the way you talk. That'll find its way out over time.
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Yes, because all small talk is centered around the weather?

Imagine how much harder it is to say "man, it's going to be 35 degrees today" instead of "man, it's going to be 95 degrees out there!"
Like I said earlier, I'm sure there would be a transition period where they would show both Fahrenheit and Celsius on the weather reports for a while anyways. Some people seem to have the idea that they would just wake up one morning and everything would be switched over instantly and it would just cause chaos.
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Confession: I make my car read the temperature in Celsius for this blasphemous, un-American Armageddon.

I digress. We should speak in degrees rankine! And maybe concert our food information from calories into BTU!
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