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Old 05-22-2015, 04:06 PM   #421
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Unless someone does something that I don't agree with. That weird homo baby killing shit should be outlawed.
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US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early

Yeah. I find abortion incredibly detestable and disgusting. I would never support murder in any case.
And people who make fun of it are scum of the earth.

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Yeah. I find abortion incredibly detestable and disgusting. I would never support murder in any case.
And people who make fun of it are scum of the earth.

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What? All I'm saying is that you can't adopt a title if you're going all a la carte on it. All you've done is say that you're a republican. Republicans generally have libertarian ideology on government. They do. Simple as that. And they have restrictive social beliefs. Simple as that. If you describe yourself as libertarian, you're making a claim to say that you're belong to a certain school of thought. You don't belong to that though. Libertarianism is not an economic philosophy in the way that socialism or capitalism is. You can't be "economically libertarian." There's plenty of other titles for that.
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Libertarianism is not an economic philosophy in the way that socialism or capitalism is. You can't be "economically libertarian."
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This coming from someone who thinks linking a webpage is considered a citation. PS your citation didn't prove anything.

This isn't academic research, I don't have to cite definitions that you're perfectly capable of googling yourself (and even potentially combating the claim).
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economically libertarian = fiscal conservative (you're conservative in money matters)

Libertarians and most Republicans are both fiscally conservative.

But just because you are fiscally conservative doesn't automatically make you a Republican.
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You might as well say the same thing about the Tea Party. They hate the Govt, keep talking about "liberty" and quoting Thomas Jefferson "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I suspect if Thomas Jefferson were alive today, he would spit on them. I could be wrong. I just don't see why these people are so fed up with their country they want to incite violence and continually work against the Govt that is trying to help them.

If the Govt wants to help you, thats tyranny? WTF? Liberty is, to these people, bloodshed and hate. Whatever McVeigh.


I don't want the government helping me. I want the government to stay true to the U.S. Constitution and stop being a tyrant.
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economically libertarian = fiscal conservative (you're conservative in money matters)

Libertarians and most Republicans are both fiscally conservative.

But just because you are fiscally conservative doesn't automatically make you a Republican.

Again, libertarianism is a school of thought. Libertarians are laissez-faire capitalists. So are republicans. Republicans are one thing. Libertarians are another thing. If you're a laissez-faire capitalist who has socially conservative beliefs, you're a republican. If you're a laissez-faire capitalist with socially liberal beliefs, you're a libertarian.

Fun fact though: libertarianism isn't even based upon economics. That's an american adoption of the initial school of thought. It's a stolen title. Libertarianism is an ideology. It does not actually encompass economics. It's about freedom and is an anarchistic spectrum of beliefs. It's about do-what-you-want politics, with very limited state involvement.

The idea of "fiscal conservatism" is a load of crap. Unless you are describing the conservative nature as constitutionalism or anti-federalism, you're not conserving or upholding something that's absolute. It's subjective in nature, because economics and society are two relatively independent things. Republicans have no reason to be what we would call "socially conservative" other than the text that both parties pander and gain a flock of sheep reaction.

The only way you can be 50% libertarian is if you believe that all libertarian ideas should be implemented to some extent. Ron Paul achieves this. A perfect example is his opinion on gay marriage. The man doesn't like gay people. As a libertarianism he offers two answers to gay marriage: 1) leave it to the states to decide and 2) the federal government has no right to define marriage for anyone. Those are libertarian beliefs, and are necessary in order to have any form of title as a "libertarian." It's about not being told what you can and can't do.

Again, laissez-faire capitalist does not earn you the title to be called 50% libertarian. At that point, you're 50% of a lot of things.
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I don't want the government helping me. I want the government to stay true to the U.S. Constitution and stop being a tyrant.
Yet you claim to be a farmer and a teacher... Which of those careers did you succeed without the government?
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Frankly, this whole thread frightens me.
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I don't want the government helping me. I want the government to stay true to the U.S. Constitution and stop being a tyrant.
Isn't it kind of funny how when the right is in power and the Govt goes to war abroad and rolls out the Patriot Act, well, that's all in the name of "freedom" and "protecting liberty".

Yet when the left is in power, suddenly the govt is a tyrant, & btw lets talk about the founding fathers and the constitution as our basis for everything.
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I find anyone who claims that they are a libertarian but "tend to side with the republicans on social issues" to be a huuuuge hypocrite. Libertarianism is founded on liberty. Freedom. If anything, the reverse is acceptable. Believing in social libertarianism while accepting certain forms of non-invasive institution is fair. If you describe yourself as a libertarian and social republican, you're just a republican. This would be like calling Rand Paul libertarian. He only gets such a name because of his father. He's a republican, and not the good type.

Omg this x1000000000. As someone with significant libertarian leanings, it drives me insane to see people like Rand Paul supposedly representing libertarianism. Social conservativism is incompatible with libertarianism.


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Ass Juice has now joined the GOP race:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/us...race.html?_r=0
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Ass Juice is a worthy title for this has-been
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The Rick Santorum Record: The original Ted Cruz, but with George W. Bush baggage
As a presidential candidate, former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, who was once a trailblazer, would face a field of opponents who have staked out positions a lot like his own. (Photo: Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

Reigning 2012 Iowa caucus victor and former Sen. Rick Santorum is expected to announce another presidential bid Wednesday, jumping into a 2016 Republican field crowded with candidates just like him — socially conservative current and former U.S. senators.

And though Santorum was in many ways the prototype for the wave of tea party lawmakers who went to Washington in 2010 — brash, unapologetically conservative, disliked by his Senate colleagues — he must now distinguish himself from opponents molded in his likeness while simultaneously grappling with issues that defined the Republican establishment a decade ago but look different today, such as the Iraq War.

As a senator, Santorum didn’t seem to care for Capitol decorum or what his colleagues thought of him, which at the time was rare but now is par for the course. Former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey was famously overheard asking a colleague whether “Santorum” was “Latin for” the name of a bodily orifice used to describe a person you might not think so highly of. Sen. Mark Hatfield, R-Ore., reportedly had equally choice and disdainful words, characterizing Santorum as both young and a “little” something that emanates from that aforementioned bodily orifice.

In other words, Santorum was 20 years ago to his contemporaries what his 2016 opponents Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and (especially) Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas are to theirs now.

And yet, Santorum has something that the Santorum 2.0s do not have: 16 years of inside-the-Beltway experience, comprising four years in the House and 12 years in the Senate. The length of his résumé, and voting record, throws a wrench into what has become a significant piece of the conservative political narrative, which is to embrace the state of being a political outsider over all else.

Santorum’s congressional record is largely what would be expected by a voter who knew him only through his brief but relatively successful 2012 presidential campaign: Of the six laws for which he was lead sponsor, two related to abortion rights. One of those measures was the Fetus Farming Prohibition Act of 2006, approved around the same time that then-President George W. Bush planned a veto of a bill to expand stem cell research. The law made the farming of fetuses and embryos for research purposes illegal, even though one of the co-sponsors at the time said the “practice isn’t under serious scientific consideration.”

The other law championed by Santorum was the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, prohibiting late-term abortions. Santorum, like many other longtime members of Congress, also effectively spearheaded several post-office namings and recreational park expansions.

He introduced, as a sponsor or co-sponsor, 2,088 bills, 86 of which became law, according to the Library of Congress’ congressional database.

But as much as Santorum was a pain in the side of his colleagues and a social conservative, he also was inextricably tied to former President George W. Bush at the time of his Senate defeat in 2006 to Bob Casey, a Democrat who still holds the seat.

Santorum had leveraged his conservative bona fides to get a seat at the Senate leadership table, something current conservatives seem less intent on doing — perhaps because they’re all running for president — and was a staunch defender of the Iraq War. His race against Casey was one of the most-watched of the 2006 cycle, and the New York Times, writing about his defeat then, highlighted what could end up being a weakness in a primary where Jeb Bush, brother of George W., is on the ticket.

“A favorite among social conservatives, [Santorum] ran as a strong supporter of the war in Iraq and tried to paint Mr. Casey as a captive of a liberal party that could not be trusted on values or national defense,” the New York Times wrote, adding that Santorum’s opponent portrayed him “as the party captive, pointing to a voting record that tied him closely to Mr. Bush in a state where exit polls showed 6 in 10 voters disapproving of the president’s job performance. ‘When two politicians are agreeing 98 percent of the time, one of them isn’t necessary,’ Mr. Casey said in a frequent campaign line.”

Jeb Bush has struggled with multiple questions about the Iraq War and whether he would have authorized it, which has led to every other GOP candidate being asked similar questions about an active battle that has technically ended but has created a new, geopolitically complicated situation in the Middle East that could ultimately require even more American military engagement than the current air campaign against Islamic State fighters.

In a packed GOP debate — if Santorum even can qualify to be on the stage — the former senator would have a liability on the Iraq issue: He will be one of only two people (if current Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, as expected, gets in the race) to have actually voted for the war. And Graham is framing his candidacy on being a war hawk, deriding the rest of the field for not being strong enough on terrorism or national security issues.

That’s not quite Santorum’s angle into the race, but with so many other conservatives in the mix, it’s not clear what is. Moreover, even in the past four years, the landscape on social issues — Santorum’s bread and butter with the base — has evolved. A record 60 percent of Americans support gay marriage, including 37 percent of Republicans (up 15 points from 2012) and 64 percent of Independents, according to a Gallup survey taken earlier this month.

As Santorum tries to navigate his way between new Republican conservative politics and old, the coming weeks will likely be interesting and defining ones for the one-time Iowa caucus winner.
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