US Presidential Election 2016...because it's never too early

[Mrs. Garrison]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

After 40,150 minutes, Hillary Clinton takes some questions from the press - The Washington Post

If I were a Hillary supporter I'd be a bit hesitant about her campaign right now. She went nearly a month without answering a media question. Yes, I know she still matches up well against GOP candidates.

Anybody on the left side leaning away from her? Are you more curious about other Democratic Candidates?

Some people on the left might not be overwhelmingly enthused with her, as i think we have seen a little in this thread. Yet it still appears as though this race is Hillary's to lose. It's foolish to think that anyone on the left would yield to the republicans in 2016 because Hillary has a scandal or didn't talk to the media for 30 days.

As another poster said previously, there were plenty of scandals around both of the Clinton's during the entire presidency. While some of those scandals obviously hurt them, overall, their legacy remains intact.

All a person really has to do is take a good look at Hillary and then take a good look at her opponents on the other side, and draw their own conclusion.

The GOP will once again be tripping over themselves to oppose same sex marriage and Obamacare, two issues which seem to have the majority of support among voters. And as usual, the extreme fringe of the GOP (Cruz, tea party) will go out of their way to make the entire GOP field look bad. Just like Santorum did in 2012.

I really don't see the pathway for her to lose to any of these guys.

[anitram]

I personally have a lot of reservations about Hillary, this last month has not changed those.

But there is not a single Republican that I'd vote for over her. Those guys are a special breed of crazy and not fit to govern.

[DaveC]

Exactly, she's not my most ideal candidate, but there certainly wouldn't be a chance in hell of any Republican candidate (announced, presumed, or otherwise) getting my vote, if I had one that is. All things considered I don't see how a Hillary Clinton presidency would be a genuinely bad thing for America, barring some catastrophe outside of her control, a major health issue (depending on her choice of VP), or some sort of psychotic break straight out of an episode of 24.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by anitram

I personally have a lot of reservations about Hillary, this last month has not changed those.

But there is not a single Republican that I'd vote for over her. Those guys are a special breed of crazy and not fit to govern.

That's the GOP and their voter's problem. They probably could have won this election if they chose someone middle of the road, but they honestly think moving further right is their answer. The tea party has ruined their immediate future.


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[Mrs. Garrison]

Originally Posted by BVS

That's the GOP and their voter's problem. They probably could have won this election if they chose someone middle of the road, but they honestly think moving further right is their answer. The tea party has ruined their immediate future.


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I fucking loathe the tea party. I guess if there is any light to them, it's that they are exposing themselves on a regular basis and somehow think that is ...okay. This whole world might have gone completely fucking nuts, and im just one person in this world, but im fucking nuts too, but i wont be that kind of fucking nut. I am just afraid that someday they will win. The fact that they do so well in the mid terms is depressing/scary/dangerous enough. Fucking hell with them.

[Oregoropa]

I just bought this for you Mrs. Garrison. Ships in 2 business days. Enjoy !

[Mrs. Garrison]

oh great, that will go nicely with my Ted Cruz coloring book

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

The thing is, as much as Sanders likes to think of himself as a socialist, he really isn't one, more so a social democrat at best.

Vlad, we get it. The US ideals of the left don't live up to the text book definition.

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

The thing is, as much as Sanders likes to think of himself as a socialist, he really isn't one, more so a social democrat at best.

Who do you support?
Because it seems that your ideals are far left of Trotsky.


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[martha]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

I just bought this for you Mrs. Garrison. Ships in 2 business days. Enjoy !

One error with this: All the words on her sign are spelled correctly.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Who do you support?
Because it seems that your ideals are far left of Trotsky.

Most of the board seems to be super-left. I'm a conservative. What about you Bob? Are you somewhere in between on the spectrum.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Most of the board seems to be super-left. I'm a conservative. What about you Bob? Are you somewhere in between on the spectrum.

Super-left? Wow, that's scary.


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[martha]

Originally Posted by BVS

Super-left? Wow, that's scary.


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I know. Super-left?

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by BVS

Super-left? Wow, that's scary.


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If Bernie Sanders isn't liberal enough for some people here, yes that's scary.

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Most of the board seems to be super-left. I'm a conservative. What about you Bob? Are you somewhere in between on the spectrum.

I'm a mixed bag. I have mostly Libertarian leanings, but agree with Conservatives on some social issues, such as abortion, but I don't align myself with the Tea Party or even most Republicans. I think the Tea Party has really torn the party apart. Which isn't exactly the worst thing because Establishment Republicanism is full of scumbags and people who are far behind the times. But their approach has not been very good and the radicals have overthrown the people who wanted to make a difference.
I can't seem to find anything that I can agree with in regards to Liberals. I'm sort of just in the middle on some topics, but don't lean liberal at all. I'd more than likely be abducted by aliens than vote for a liberal.



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[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by martha

I know. Super-left?

Well a couple of you have chimed in that you wish Obama governed more Left. And some media is not left enough for you. Sorry to clump you all in to the 'Super' category.

Thanks Bob for your feedback

[nbelcik]

I for one don't think Bernie Sanders is liberal enough...but I'm in favor of a universal basic income and way stronger regulations on certain areas of business such as oil companies and finance. Plus I'm far left on social issues


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[bono_212]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Vlad, we get it. The US ideals of the left don't live up to the text book definition.

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Most of the board seems to be super-left. I'm a conservative. What about you Bob? Are you somewhere in between on the spectrum.

And then a post like that

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by nbelcik

I for one don't think Bernie Sanders is liberal enough...but I'm in favor of a universal basic income and way stronger regulations on certain areas of business such as oil companies and finance. Plus I'm far left on social issues


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Sounds like paradise. What we really need is the government to take full control and overthrow the private sector; we then must allow someone to take a full dictatorship. Getting chills just imagining how great the future would look.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Sounds like paradise. What we really need is the government to take full control and overthrow the private sector; we then must allow someone to take a full dictatorship. Getting chills just imagining how great the future would look.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Sounds like paradise. What we really need is the government to take full control and overthrow the private sector; we then must allow someone to take a full dictatorship. Getting chills just imagining how great the future would look.

Because that's totally what Scandinavia is...a dictatorship ala 1984.


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