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Old 10-28-2018, 07:00 PM   #381
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:26 PM   #382
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Yeah, I've been keeping tabs on that, too. Horrifying. God forbid there be any sort of good political news right now, apparently.

Bluer White, I assume your blank post is some sort of commentary on something-care to elaborate?
Sure, Moonlit. I liked your thoughts on how political speech should work in our country, and wanted to highlight it.
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I mean, I'll concede that my post and my suggestions are awfully dramatic and largely borne out of my frustration that Trump can continue to spout his horrible views and never seems to suffer any sort of consequence for it whatsoever.

But I think this past week just further proved that somebody should do something of some sort to at least try and rein him in. It's clear that his rhetoric is emboldening a lot of dangerous people-and they're not even hiding that fact. The pipe bomb guy had his support for Trump splashed all over his van. The synagogue shooter may have been dismayed with Trump, but he still mentioned MAGA in one of his rants. The neo-Nazis and white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville made clear they were proud Trump supporters.

And Trump himself is openly advocating and endorsing violence against those he doesn't agree with as well. He supported a politician who beat up a reporter, he shares tweets that show wrestling memes involving him beating up CNN, and his response to the murder of that journalist in Saudi Arabia has been troubling, to say the very least. People feel unsafe now because of his inflammatory rhetoric.

And forget about the use of his Twitter in terms of free speech-his internet/phone access is proving dangerous in terms of spies apparently listening in (remember when the GOP supposedly gave a shit about security concerns when it came to Hillary and her e-mails? Funny how I'm not hearing a peep from them when it comes to the security risks involving Trump).

Like I said, ultimately I would prefer he just be kicked out of office altogether, and I hope that happens (and I will note that if he does get kicked out, his rhetoric would be the least of the reasons as to why). But if it doesn't, then I think we do need to find some other way to address this issue. Maybe not on the level mentioned in my earlier post, but still. Our leaders cannot, should not, be out there encouraging that kind of violence.
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Further proof why somebody needs to rein him in.
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I mean, I'll concede that my post and my suggestions are awfully dramatic and largely borne out of my frustration that Trump can continue to spout his horrible views and never seems to suffer any sort of consequence for it whatsoever.

But I think this past week just further proved that somebody should do something of some sort to at least try and rein him in. It's clear that his rhetoric is emboldening a lot of dangerous people-and they're not even hiding that fact. The pipe bomb guy had his support for Trump splashed all over his van. The synagogue shooter may have been dismayed with Trump, but he still mentioned MAGA in one of his rants. The neo-Nazis and white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville made clear they were proud Trump supporters.

And Trump himself is openly advocating and endorsing violence against those he doesn't agree with as well. He supported a politician who beat up a reporter, he shares tweets that show wrestling memes involving him beating up CNN, and his response to the murder of that journalist in Saudi Arabia has been troubling, to say the very least. People feel unsafe now because of his inflammatory rhetoric.

And forget about the use of his Twitter in terms of free speech-his internet/phone access is proving dangerous in terms of spies apparently listening in (remember when the GOP supposedly gave a shit about security concerns when it came to Hillary and her e-mails? Funny how I'm not hearing a peep from them when it comes to the security risks involving Trump).

Like I said, ultimately I would prefer he just be kicked out of office altogether, and I hope that happens (and I will note that if he does get kicked out, his rhetoric would be the least of the reasons as to why). But if it doesn't, then I think we do need to find some other way to address this issue. Maybe not on the level mentioned in my earlier post, but still. Our leaders cannot, should not, be out there encouraging that kind of violence.
If you had a leftist military you could have Coup take him out of power.

But you have “oath-takers” even with retired military that would die for him
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Nah, I wouldn't want a coup situation. That has its own problems and dangers as well. I just want him to be impeached or forced to resign a la Nixon.
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In terms of what to do going forward, should the Democrats win control of Congress, since the impeachment process can be tough (not saying they shouldn't push for it, mind, just saying it isn't an easy one), at the very least, it'd be great if they could find a way to muzzle Trump as much as possible while he remains in office. Take away access to his phones and Twitter account, 'cause he clearly can't be trusted to handle them properly, and let somebody who can be trusted with them, if such a person exists, take control going forward.

(I'd love it if Twitter just cancelled Trump's account altogether, but unfortunately, I doubt they'll be able to do that, given he's the president. Perhaps they could cancel his family's Twitter accounts, at least? Especially Don Jr.'s?)

And if possible, prevent him from doing any more rallies, be they for himself or any Republican politicians. If anyone in the GOP needs to run for any sort of office that opens up going forward, let them try and do it without Trump's help for a change. I would suggest holding back on letting him do interviews and press conferences, too, but he's not very big on those to begin with, 'cause "fake news" and all, so...

I don't know how likely it would be for them to do any of this, mind, but if any of it can be done on some level, they should definitely try and make it happen. Anything to keep him from further helping to fan the flames of nasty rhetoric.
Congress can't pass a law to keep someone off Twitter or restrict their access to their cell phone or pass a law preventing the president from attending rallies/political fundraisers.
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it's actually illegal for twitter to shut down his account because those tweets are considered as official federal government communications from the president, and therefore must be kept in public record. it's also why it's illegal for him to block anyone - technically that would be an unconstitutional violation of free speech.

not that "it's illegal" or "that would be an unconstitutional violation" has ever stopped him from doing what he wants, but still.
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What’s your take on things?

I’m freaking out too.
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking in terms of passing laws, because I know that would be either hard or flat out impossible to do. I was thinking more along the lines of somebody keeping closer tabs on him or something to that effect, or a strong recommendation that he back off with holding rallies, at least until 2020 (not that he'd listen, mind, but still).

And I get that his tweets are government record and that the account needs to stay open on that level, hence why I said before that I knew Twitter shutting down his account would never happen. It'd just be nice if it were somebody that wasn't, you know, him, controlling it on his behalf instead. Somebody who could wrangle his nonsense into something coherent and more professional-sounding, without all the nasty personal attacks and threats to foreign leaders and whatnot. I mean, if that op-ed about a resistance within the White House is anything to go by, there are already apparently people trying to find ways to work around his mess, so if that's the case, why not continue the trend here?

It's just that given the serious security risks he's posing and given the extreme nature of his rhetoric (even taking into account the idea that those guys from last week would've done what they did no matter what, the fact remains that Trump has actively condoned and endorsed violence, and has openly threatened people), it's beyond frustrating that it seems there's little we can do to stop or limit it, besides the obvious solution of voting him out, which, as of now, seems an uphill battle all its own, regardless of whether or not the Democrats win Congress. He should be held accountable for his crap somehow.
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What’s your take on things?

I’m freaking out too.
There's a reason why despite all the shit going on, the bad numbers for GOP, the bad press....

They aren't really freaking out over midterms.

It's rigged.

We need the largest voter turnout in the history of this country to overcome the bullshit that's going on. The suppression, the machine errors, and whatever else is going to occur in the next week.
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Well, that's disturbing .
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The Brazil election is interesting in the sense that the gender gap there in terms of the votes is enormous. Very, very few women voted for this guy. But he appears to draw well from all manner of men - not just the poorly educated, but the upper middle class types and also has the male youth vote down.

I'm not familiar enough with Brazil to know what their immigration policy is, but he seems to have a strong anti-immigration stance in a place that I hadn't previously thought would be a particularly desirable destination.
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well no, moving to brazil probably wouldn't be very attractive to someone already in a western country or across the ocean (unless you're portuguese or from another country that speaks the language). but if you're a venezuelan fleeing from the totalitarian dictatorship there, or a desperately impoverished guyanan or surinamese or bolivian, chances are if you left your country you'd end up in chile, argentina, uruguay, or brazil.

i'm sure he'd be totally okay with it if it was white people with money who wanted to move to brazil.
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well no, moving to brazil probably wouldn't be very attractive to someone already in a western country or across the ocean (unless you're portuguese or from another country that speaks the language). but if you're a venezuelan fleeing from the totalitarian dictatorship there, or a desperately impoverished guyanan or surinamese or bolivian, chances are if you left your country you'd end up in chile, argentina, uruguay, or brazil.
Yeah, I get that they'd be attractive regionally, but he is specifically opposed to immigrants from the Middle East. I hadn't thought they'd see Brazil as a destination of choice. I guess you learn something every day.
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