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is he really that ignorant, or just blatantly lying as usual?

France, for one, has birthright citizenship - children born to non-French parents in France can claim their French citizenship at 13 if they wish to do so, or at 18, as long as they are still resident and have been educated in France (by simple declaration in both cases)
 
is he really that ignorant, or just blatantly lying as usual?

France, for one, has birthright citizenship - children born to non-French parents in France can claim their French citizenship at 13 if they wish to do so, or at 18, as long as they are still resident and have been educated in France (by simple declaration in both cases)
... both?
 
no. it would be the exact opposite of a show of defiance.

a show of defiance would be getting the next generation of progressives and socialists elected and moving on triumphantly into the future.



I was referring to Clinton in specific.

You know I’m not entirely serious and am not suggesting I want her as a candidate again.

But it would be gold to see all the smug get flipped on its head.
 
White Supremacy means stopping foreigners from becoming citizens. Pure and simple. Nothing to do with the interpretation of the amendment. Kavanaugh was key to get the Constitution shredder going.
 
who wants to play "smack the twenty-something"?

I have ADHD, and it makes it hard for me to do certain tasks where the payoff is far off in the future or abstract. I don’t find it intrinsically motivational. The amount of work logically isn’t that much: Fill out a form, mail it, go to a specific place on a specific day. But those kind of tasks can be hard for me to do if I’m not enthusiastic about it. That’s kind of a problem with social attitudes around, you know, “It’s your civic duty to vote.” I once told a co-worker I didn’t vote, and she said, “That’s really irresponsible,” in this judgmental voice. You can’t build a policy around calling people irresponsible. You need to make people enthusiastic and engaged.


12 Young People on Why They Probably Won’t Vote
 
who wants to play "smack the twenty-something"?


This whole generation being told they can't do things because they have "ADHD" (with basically no diagnosis, ever, just adults telling them they do) and living with the expectation that they will be hand-held through life is just infuriating. And it's my generation and I see it in my friends all the time and it drives me nuts. At least my friends vote, though.



That person is just so fucking lazy and people have told them their whole life that it's OK because they just can't concentrate.



(Please note I'm not saying there's no such thing as ADD or ADHD, because it's not what I'm saying at all.)
 
who wants to play "smack the twenty-something"?

Put avocado toast on the ballot and those fuckers will show up

This whole generation being told they can't do things because they have "ADHD" (with basically no diagnosis, ever, just adults telling them they do) and living with the expectation that they will be hand-held through life is just infuriating. And it's my generation and I see it in my friends all the time and it drives me nuts. At least my friends vote, though.



That person is just so fucking lazy and people have told them their whole life that it's OK because they just can't concentrate.



(Please note I'm not saying there's no such thing as ADD or ADHD, because it's not what I'm saying at all.)

I can't vote because the voting center might contain peanuts #millennialvotingexcuses

wow :|

this fucking place sometimes.
 
The truth of the matter is that historically young people vote in lower numbers than old people. Yeah, we are cracking jokes about millennials, but it's not like this is any different than Gen-X not voting in the '90s.

To me I've always been sad that the demographic that is MOST impacted is the one that doesn't vote. Hopefully that changes, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
What do you guys think are the reasons why young people don't vote more? I think some of it is not seeing more younger politicians in office. It's hard to look at the older, mostly white male, group of politicians up in Washington and feel like they're going to do much to help younger generations, or care about the issues that affect them.

Course, then again, Bernie Sanders did manage to enthuse some younger people, so... But I think he's an exception. Fact is, we could use some more young blood in general in Washington, and at least have more of a balance between them and the older crowd.

But I'm sure there's other factors as well. I don't think it's apathy for a lot of young people, because I think a lot of them do genuinely care about what's going on in the world. But for some reason that passion doesn't translate into actual voting.
 
Getting married and owning a home gave me a greater sense of stake in society.

I have always voted since I was 18, eagerly, and sometimes with vengeance in mind. But getting older and having a bank account and a mortgage does change things.

Also, having to vote on a Tuesday kind of sucks.
 
Look, I get the notion of wanting to feel excited or enthusiastic about voting. Voting for somebody is different than voting against a concept, motivationally speaking. However, this notion of "if I don't feel enthusiastic I am unable to muster the motivation" is ridiculous nonsense. I chalk it up to age/lack of life experience. Do I feel enthusiastic going to work every day? Or cleaning up when my toddler craps his underwear yet again while yelling "I promise I won't poo in my pants again mommy!" Or cleaning the house or walking the dog or paying the bills or looking around for a decent company to replace our fence? Hell to the no. But that is part of life, sucking it up and getting it done.

God forbid my children end up having such an attitude.
 
Getting married and owning a home gave me a greater sense of stake in society.

I have always voted since I was 18, eagerly, and sometimes with vengeance in mind. But getting older and having a bank account and a mortgage does change things.

Also, having to vote on a Tuesday kind of sucks.

I hadn't considered that aspect of things, but yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That's an interesting angle to consider.

And yes, I do think if we made Election Day a national holiday/moved it to a weekend, that would make it a lot easier for young people as well.
 
The truth of the matter is that historically young people vote in lower numbers than old people. Yeah, we are cracking jokes about millennials, but it's not like this is any different than Gen-X not voting in the '90s.

To me I've always been sad that the demographic that is MOST impacted is the one that doesn't vote. Hopefully that changes, but I'm not holding my breath.


In general, I get frustrated by the blanket "Young people don't vote" thing, because it feels like people give up on them from the start.

For what Irvine posted, I was SPECIFICALLY referring to that person's excuse for why they weren't voting. It was pathetically childish.
 
This whole generation being told they can't do things because they have "ADHD" (with basically no diagnosis, ever, just adults telling them they do) and living with the expectation that they will be hand-held through life is just infuriating. And it's my generation and I see it in my friends all the time and it drives me nuts. At least my friends vote, though.

yea, this blanket statement about "this whole generation" is very SPECIFICALLY referring to what that person said. sure thing. :rolleyes:

That person is just so fucking lazy and people have told them their whole life that it's OK because they just can't concentrate.

thanks doctor - you should share your expert internet diagnosis that this random person you don't know is "just so fucking lazy" and doesn't really experience what they're telling you they experience with their physician (who apparently doesn't exist, since you seem to be able to assert somehow that they've never bothered to get actual medical help), as you clearly know everything there is to know here based off a couple lines of text.

my brother has had ADHD for nearly 25 years. some days he's barely able to function and some days if he told you he had ADHD you might wonder because he can get through a lot of days quite normally with medication and the techniques he's developed over the years to help him focus. he still has been accused of faking it and being lazy/stupid/incompetent so many times that it's had real psychological effects on him in the past. nice to know that there are some here who would gleefully pile on if he said a couple sentences to the media about his illness that people don't like :up:
 
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Your anecdotal evidence and mine are two sides of a coin. I have a step-brother who also very clearly has ADHD and a # of other mental issues as well. He is diagnosed, medicated and has *never* used it as an excuse for why he doesn't do things, like vote in this example.

Friends of mine who all grew up with the same elementary school teacher as one of our friend's mom's have all been arm-chair diagnosed by her as having ADHD. My best friend and her daughter have no such actual diagnosis, they're just told by her that they're clearly ADHD, and they use it as an excuse *constantly* for why they spend too much money, or get bored at work, or what have you. She told me I had ADHD and I basically just went, "Yeah, well...that's not really what my psychologist thinks, but I will ask him about it." and we've never discussed it again.

She's not the only teacher I know of who does that. THAT is what I am referring to. And the excuses being made by my friends feel an awful lot like what the guy in Irvine's post was doing, again what I was referring it.

The whole thing is as frustrating to me as when I hear people laugh about their "OCD" as someone clinically diagnosed and constantly suffering from the disorder.

So, yeah, I'm sorry about your brother, but that doesn't change the intent or meaning of my post.

Also, ffs, that guy is not in this conversation, I don't know him, I'm not speaking to him. Unless he's you, no I'm not soliciting advice to him or telling him he doesn't actually have a problem. Again, I'm speaking to my own anecdotal experiences, LIKE WE ALL DO.
 
it's almost as if everyone's experiences with illnesses and diseases are wildly different and subjective, and accusing anyone of faking it (especially a total stranger you know nothing about) without definitive proof of that is a shitty thing to do :hmm:
 
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