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Old 08-27-2021, 07:24 AM   #801
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Biden couldn’t help himself putting blame on Trump in his press conference today when asked if he takes full responsibility for today.
Care to please share the entirety of the story? Not just the part that fits your agenda? OK bye, thank you!
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Old 08-27-2021, 08:23 AM   #802
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Ohhhhhhh you mean when he said this?



Biden took full responsibility for what's happening right now.

His mention of Trump only came after a disingenuous question by (shocker) Fox News. This then led to your disingenuous bullshit "oh Biden had to mention Trump"


Yup couldn’t help himself. Had to throw Trump in there somehow! When in doubt or pressed throw bad orange man under the bus. It’s tiresome really.

Biden should resign. There was nothing from what he provided yesterday that ensures confidence that he is a competent and proficient leader or commander in chief. In all his years in politics it’s more of the same.
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Yup couldn’t help himself. Had to throw Trump in there somehow! When in doubt or pressed throw bad orange man under the bus. It’s tiresome really.

Biden should resign. There was nothing from what he provided yesterday that ensures confidence that he is a competent and proficient leader or commander in chief. In all his years in politics it’s more of the same.
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US Politics XXXIII: Get Inoculated!

In all seriousness though it’s crazy how divided we are depending on where you look.

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Please provide the details of what should have been done differently than what’s occurred.

What would Trump have done ?

Romney ?
Cruz?
Clinton?
Anyone…
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Yup couldn’t help himself. Had to throw Trump in there somehow! When in doubt or pressed throw bad orange man under the bus. It’s tiresome really.

Biden should resign. There was nothing from what he provided yesterday that ensures confidence that he is a competent and proficient leader or commander in chief. In all his years in politics it’s more of the same.
I’m guessing you must have been very upset when trump threw obama under the bus a million times too. Right, right?
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Please provide the details of what should have been done differently than what’s occurred.

What would Trump have done ?

Romney ?
Cruz?
Clinton?
Anyone…
there should have been a surge in troops prior to the withdraw and a marketing friendly deadline date should not have been made public.

some details have come out - such as the state department asking americans in Afghanistan to leave the country months ago and offering to pay for their flights out - which have softened my criticism of this process a bit, but it still could have been better.

that said - getting out of this thing was always going to be messy. the logic of being angry over troops dying during a withdraw, when the alternative would have been, you know, a longer stay and more troops dying - is fairly hypocritical, but i expect nothing else from the red hat brigade.

and we don't have to wonder about what trump would have done. he's the one who made the initial agreement with the afghan government (again, didn't see the criticism then) - and, oh yea, completely abandoned our Kurfish allies, allowing them to be slaughtered, without even a haphazard attempt at an airlift evacuation like what we see here.

biden needs to own his shit - and he has. i have no issue with any non trump supporting person criticizing biden on this. the buck stops with him.

people in trump world criticizing this, however, can shampoo my crotch.
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In all seriousness though it’s crazy how divided we are depending on where you look.

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one is an actual representation of what happened, and one is blatant right wing propaganda aimed at undermining the democratic party at all costs.

or, as you say, "divided"
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Commander was cowed in a moment of silence for the dead. Pathetic to twist something like that. That is where we are these days.
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one is an actual representation of what happened, and one is blatant right wing propaganda aimed at undermining the democratic party at all costs.



or, as you say, "divided"


Ans this is why the media environment always, always favors Republicans.

You can call the mainstream media “liberal” all you want — and what is true that, as conservative/liberal is now ever more tied to education, news media people having fancy educations might make them at least more socially liberal — but they will absolutely hammer a Democratic President on mistakes, which they should, but also to prove their objectivity.

Right wing media, however, will never, ever criticize their guy. Ever. Just look at the last four years. So Trump can, yes, shoot someone on 5th Avenue (or rape a woman in a changing room or literally have dozens of sexual assault claims) and Fox will be like, “Trump exercises 2nd Amendment right to self-defense.”
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one is an actual representation of what happened, and one is blatant right wing propaganda aimed at undermining the democratic party at all costs.



or, as you say, "divided"


At least he’s looking both ways. I hate both and look at both. Important that people realize the discrepancy.
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At least he’s looking both ways. I hate both and look at both. Important that people realize the discrepancy.


I lean right obviously and look at both sides for perspective. Whether CNN and Fox are an actual fair representation for each side is arguable, but it’s the main go to’s for the general population out there. CNN play the same BS at times that Fox does with “their guy”. Was just highlighting the fact that we are strongly divided and the media make it worse. I just find it funny how much some people around here absolutely hate the right.
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CNN plays some of the same bullshit Fox does without a question.

But Fox has additional bad habits of pure propaganda in an attempt to subvert truths and sciences. For example, pretty-much-everything-related-to-Covid.
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Commander was cowed in a moment of silence for the dead. Pathetic to twist something like that. That is where we are these days.
Agreed. It was truly moving to see him getting so genuinely emotional as he talked about the people who died. So nice to see that again after four years of the narcissist-in-chief.
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Agreed. It was truly moving to see him getting so genuinely emotional as he talked about the people who died. So nice to see that again after four years of the narcissist-in-chief.


Nope, that photo on the Fox caption was when he was being questioned about taking responsibility..he looked down and held his notes. He did look down during the moment of silence but don’t pull that crap of agreeing that particular photo was taken during the moment of silence when it was in fact not.

This is the type of BS that goes on everywhere.
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I read that he looked down while a reporter was responding to a question from Biden, not after "crumbling under pressure" in response to a question from the reporter.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/sta...956876804?s=20
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Nope, that photo on the Fox caption was when he was being questioned about taking responsibility..he looked down and held his notes. He did look down during the moment of silence but don’t pull that crap of agreeing that particular photo was taken during the moment of silence when it was in fact not.

This is the type of BS that goes on everywhere.
Don't pull that crap? Rude. That's what the photo looked like to me. No conspiracy behind my thought, as much as you'd like it to be one.

I guess this photo of Biden is being used to somehow prove he's incompetent lol. By Fox people, Don Jr, et al. That's what they, and apparently you, want it to prove.
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i wonder how many of the yahoos who are currently calling for biden et al to resign over what's happening in afghanistan right now would also agree that dubya should have resigned on 9/12, and fdr should have resigned in his speech the day after pearl harbor.

i'm setting the initial over/under at 0. place your bets
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