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Old 02-04-2021, 01:44 PM   #581
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related/unrelated in regards to your "friends" comment - i have found that it's much much harder to separate yourself completely from the other party when you're in this city. you're in the same circles, your kids are in the same schools .... it gets really awkward at times even for someone who is not in a job related to politics whatsoever like me.

it's interesting ... where i've lived in this area (generally 4 different places over the past 15 years) its always been super-duper liberal. like, my neighborhood right now is basically a sea of BLM and "science is real" signs. granted, other than my stint in NoVA, i've been living in historically black neighborhoods which, not to stereotype too much (but at this point the GOP is a white fear party), conservatives simply wouldn't live here. if they live in DC, it tends to be upper NW and the SW waterfront. or so i'm told. but, yeah, i basically i can't think of anyone who would vote republican living within a 3 mile radius. i don't tend to know a lot of people who work on the hill, but i know a ton of people who work for the federal government -- everyone from worker bees to policy wonks to lawyers -- and they do tend to be liberal, but moreso institutionalist. they believe that government can and does work, and that the way to implement change is to make government better at what it does. they're also very aware of the limits of what government can and can't do.

when i visit in-laws, it's the same story but flipped. out there, basically everyone is all "god and guns and our way of life" ... although they've been totally cool with the gay thing, at least on a micro level, and no one has ever been anything but kind to me directly.

long story short -- America is polarized. we don't even live next to each other anymore. except i guess in SW.



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Even when there are other people like you who don’t work in politics, you post on the same web forum and it’s just weird

agreed. super weird. i still don't know why i'm in this city. but COVID has made working in other cities from other cities possible, so now i may be trapped forever?

it's a good place though. except for August. August sucks.
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it's interesting ... where i've lived in this area (generally 4 different places over the past 15 years) its always been super-duper liberal. like, my neighborhood right now is basically a sea of BLM and "science is real" signs. granted, other than my stint in NoVA, i've been living in historically black neighborhoods which, not to stereotype too much (but at this point the GOP is a white fear party), conservatives simply wouldn't live here. if they live in DC, it tends to be upper NW and the SW waterfront. or so i'm told. but, yeah, i basically i can't think of anyone who would vote republican living within a 3 mile radius. i don't tend to know a lot of people who work on the hill, but i know a ton of people who work for the federal government -- everyone from worker bees to policy wonks to lawyers -- and they do tend to be liberal, but moreso institutionalist. they believe that government can and does work, and that the way to implement change is to make government better at what it does. they're also very aware of the limits of what government can and can't do.
i guess it's different 'cause we've only lived around the hill - and especially with kids. we've shared preschool classes with everyone from political reporters, liberal lobbyists and senior staffers of very republican congresspersons.

the birthday parties are awkward AF... especially after the fact.

"oh, johnny's parents were so much fun... let's look them up on LinkedInnnnoooooh for fuck's sake"
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I tend to run mostly into repubes in some circles in NOVA when I lived out there, DoD aligned folk. Not the Trumpster people though.

I’ve heard a lot of them in DC are situated on the waterfront, like Irvine said. Which is no surprise, because the waterfront is basically like Mizner in Boca Raton, or Royal Palm.

Even on the hill I feel like I never run into repubes, short of the congresspeople themselves. My sister used to live in cap hill, we knew which house was which Senator/congressperson.
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Navy Yard, The Wharf for the younger set. The Hill for those with families.

But that's not just Republicans. AOC lives over the Whole Foods. Gillibrand lives a few blocks from me. I've seen her walking the dog a few times.

Darth Turtle is up by Stanton Park.
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I don’t see navy yard as particularly repube. I was referring to the wharf specifically.
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Lol get em before they get you, Don
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What a letter.

We looked at DC housing at one point (and went down in person to get a sense of the neighborhoods to narrow it down) when my husband was entertaining some job offers. It was to me surprisingly affordable compared to what we were used to but I guess generally government towns have decent real estate options. It's a nice, walkable place. I always imagined the Congresscritters were highly concentrated in terms of where they lived.
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Surprisingly affordable? 🥴 typically slides in just behind your California and New York hoohaw. Unlike some places, you get little reprieve here the further out you go. In fact, I’d imagine places like Bethesda or Arlington are no cheaper than DC itself.

As someone with a good paying job, it is a pipe dream for me to own my own home in DC unless I get married to someone who has an equally good paying job or share the mortgage with multiple people.

Which I suppose is an argument of why student debt cancellation is important. If I didn’t have my student loans to pay, the status of “pipe dream” lowers to maybe “if dont have any fun and live on ramen I can refinance in about a decade”
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Surprisingly affordable? typically slides in just behind your California and New York hoohaw.
Sadly it's still cheaper than Toronto for SFH and across some swaths, significantly so. Our cost is driven here by exceptionally high rates of money laundering (our federal government knows but doesn't care), immigrants and foreigners dumping massive amounts of money into a real estate market in a stable country, a huge influx of extremely wealthy foreign students which only increased during the Trump era, mortgage rates so low it's almost free money and a few others.

We didn't look at anything but SFH (kids, large dog, used to having some space) and I didn't look closely at property taxes so I'm not sure how it compares there.
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I tend to run mostly into repubes in some circles in NOVA when I lived out there, DoD aligned folk. Not the Trumpster people though.

thinking about it, that's pretty true in NoVA. they're pretty sane and usually too busy running along the Potomac to storm the Capitol or anything. or cruising the DSW in Pentagon City. so i've heard. i remember being at a party years and years ago where there was a Log Cabin Republican who really wanted people to know it, and it started kind of a thing and he wound up leaving early. but he was kind of a dick as well, so ...
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Sadly it's still cheaper than Toronto for SFH and across some swaths, significantly so. Our cost is driven here by exceptionally high rates of money laundering (our federal government knows but doesn't care), immigrants and foreigners dumping massive amounts of money into a real estate market in a stable country, a huge influx of extremely wealthy foreign students which only increased during the Trump era, mortgage rates so low it's almost free money and a few others.


i knew this was true about Vancouver but didn't realize it was also true for Toronto. my assumption would have been that the urban core would be as expensive as any global city but that there's plenty of space to go out so geography isn't as much an issue as it is in like SF or i guess Vancouver or wherever.

i went to Toronto once as a teenager with a best friend who's mother was from there -- struck me as a very nice place to live.
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As someone with a good paying job, it is a pipe dream for me to own my own home in DC unless I get married to someone who has an equally good paying job or share the mortgage with multiple people.


this is the way to go. i would never consider owning a SFH if i were single -- way too much work and the potential for too many unexpected costs that could crush a single income, at least for me. the apartment/condo life is just fine.
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this is the way to go. i would never consider owning a SFH if i were single -- way too much work and the potential for too many unexpected costs that could crush a single income, at least for me. the apartment/condo life is just fine.


It’s redefining the norm though. I’ve seriously considered buying with friends etc. just as a means of not having to rent and never build any form of equity.

I don’t like the idea of having to wed someone of a certain wealth in order to afford a home.
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It’s redefining the norm though. I’ve seriously considered buying with friends etc. just as a means of not having to rent and never build any form of equity.

I don’t like the idea of having to wed someone of a certain wealth in order to afford a home.


Don’t marry for money, but it’s a perk of having two incomes and sharing space — it makes so much economic sense. Love and commitment and all that stuff aside.

Buying with friends is an interesting thought ... but could raise issues when people move on.
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The single family home market is ridiculous in Chicago. You can get a townhome with more square footage for half to 3/4 the price of a SFH and on top of that not have to worry about the inevitable problems that come with roofs etc.

About the idea of buying with friends, I wonder how many banks would even write a mortgage for 3 or more unrelated people. There are so many situations that could complicate that arrangement.
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From when I asked, they had no problem splitting ownership whatsoever. But it was a flat no for “two different mortgages” for obvious reasons, meaning the onus is on you to do your business privately.

Definitely have to be compatible friends to avoid disaster lol.
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i knew this was true about Vancouver but didn't realize it was also true for Toronto. my assumption would have been that the urban core would be as expensive as any global city but that there's plenty of space to go out so geography isn't as much an issue as it is in like SF or i guess Vancouver or wherever.

i went to Toronto once as a teenager with a best friend who's mother was from there -- struck me as a very nice place to live.
Vancouver had/has a very specific target audience - mostly mainland Chinese looking to park $. But for the most part, these people actually lived in Vancouver at least part time. They drove up the real estate prices very high but it's a slightly different problem than Toronto. The other thing about Vancouver is that Vancouver proper is quite small in terms of land area and the outlying suburbs can actually be quite affordable. Toronto is large by land area and the suburbs are also now unaffordable so you're looking at exurbs for many middle class people.

Toronto is so full of vacant units (while our rent property availability rate is extremely low), to the point where the Mayor is considering a vacancy tax. It's a lot of $ being parked offshore not for the purpose of living, even on a part time basis, but literally to money launder. Lots and lots has been written about this, the feds don't care and tacitly approve.

https://financialpost.com/diane-fran...lity-in-canada

The thing I noticed about DC is that the lower entry point SFH (let's say the 800-1.5M range) is fairly comparable to here. But the higher you go, the more you could live like a king in DC compared to here. For example, you could live alongside the Obamas for probably 2-3x LESS $ than the equivalent area here.
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