US Politics XXVII: Orange Super Spreader

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I'm glad that you're feeling optimistic because each day I feel more and more panic and dread.

I'm glad I felt that way last night. LOL. But yeah, I mean, I've been pretty certain for the most part Joe will win bigger than just squeaking past with 280 or something.

I've been feeling a little better about NC and FL over the past week or two. lt got really tight for a while. AZ seems to be hanging on. The map I posted of what I thought would happen, puts Biden at 350. This is with GA going Biden and IA going Trump. It very well could be that it goes the opposite way with IA looking a bit better this past week. Or Biden could lose both. Either way those two are gonna be really tight. But beyond that I think Biden will do very well, and pick up NC/FL/AZ beyond the midwest 3
 
Until I am shown convincing evidence that PA, MI or WI will be close, I see no reason to be concerned. I'm sure Joe will steal another one out of AZ, NC, FL, IA, OH, GA and that will slam the door.
 
Until I am shown convincing evidence that PA, MI or WI will be close, I see no reason to be concerned. I'm sure Joe will steal another one out of AZ, NC, FL, IA, OH, GA and that will slam the door.

And there isn't any evidence of Biden losing those three. The only worry from me, is that if Biden doesn't pick up NC and AZ, or FL, and Trump drags out PA and possibly MI with lawsuits of ballots that arrive after election day, etc... then we will have a shit show for a while.
 
Politico.com

The Pennsylvania state Supreme Court ruled Friday that ballots in the state cannot be rejected because of signature comparisons, backing up guidance issued by the state’s chief elections officer heading into Pennsylvania’s first presidential election with no-excuse mail voting.

The ruling is a defeat for President Donald Trump’s campaign and other Republicans, who had challenged the decision by Pennsylvania election officials, arguing that efforts to match signatures on ballots to signatures on voter rolls were necessary to prevent fraud.


“We conclude that the Election Code does not authorize or require county election boards to reject absentee or mail-in ballots during the canvassing process based on an analysis of a voter’s signature,” the state Supreme Court wrote in an opinion signed six of the seven justices, including five Democrats and one Republican.

The seventh justice, another Republican, concurred with the ruling..

The court directs “the county boards of elections not to reject absentee or mail-in ballots for counting, computing, and tallying based on signature comparisons conducted by county election officials or employees, or as the result of third party challenges based on such comparisons.”

Already, just under 1.5 million Pennsylvanians have already submitted their ballots in 2020, according to the U.S. Elections Project. That’s a significant share of the vote in Pennsylvania, where about 6.2 million people voted in the 2016 general election.
 
Until I am shown convincing evidence that PA, MI or WI will be close, I see no reason to be concerned. I'm sure Joe will steal another one out of AZ, NC, FL, IA, OH, GA and that will slam the door.

While Biden is obviously the favorite, I think the main issue is that these results are not independent from each other, so if for some reason Trump overperforms in one of these places (say, due to higher turnout than Democrats or because polls overstated support for Biden amongst white working class people), combined with possible shenanigans over mail ballots, it is not unthinkable that a number of these states will move in his direction.

That said, it's just as likely that polls are underrating Biden. So I'm very cautiously optimistic.
 
We've been living through a cataclysm for the last 8 months. If there's a 90% chance that extremely good news is coming, I'm going to jump on it.

But we all have different ways of coping.
 
As a matter of preserving my own sanity, I never count on Florida. So the polls there have made me neither nervous nor depressed. I just worry with some of the states like NC and AZ, you start trending in the wrong direction and then enough idiots come out in the last week thinking oh look, Trump spoke in sentences at the last debate, he can get deals done. It's patently absurd, but there you have it.

I don't worry about MI/PA/WI at all, but the issue is with the courts stacked and the voter disenfranchisement the only way a Biden victory is actually a victory on Nov 3 is if he wins decisively. Anything that stretches week over week with that new SCOTUS and the more likely it becomes that we're all fucked.
 
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/23/9271...e-to-normalize-relations-in-u-s-brokered-deal

Sudan And Israel Agree To Normalize Relations In U.S.-Brokered Deal

Israel and Sudan have agreed to normalize their relations and open economic and trade ties, the countries and the U.S. announced Friday. The U.S. said earlier this week that it would remove Sudan from the state sponsors of terrorism list as part of the agreement.

....Trump's announcement of the payment agreement and his promise to lift the terrorism-sponsor label quickly increased speculation that Sudan would join Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates in agreeing to establish ties with Israel.

Palestinian leaders have long asked Arab countries not to establish ties with Israel until a mutual peace is reached between Israel and the Palestinians. On Friday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' office condemned the Israel-Sudan deal.
 
I don't worry about MI/PA/WI at all, but the issue is with the courts stacked and the voter disenfranchisement the only way a Biden victory is actually a victory on Nov 3 is if he wins decisively. Anything that stretches week over week with that new SCOTUS and the more likely it becomes that we're all fucked.

100% this. I am very nervous that anything other than an ass whooping by Biden will result in Trump remaining in office.
 
An interesting stat over at US Election project.
In North Carolina.

Dems have almost 3 times as many mail in ballots as Reps. That's to be expected. But No Party Reg. voters have returned almost double the amount of Republicans.

Also - Early in person.
Dem - 43%
Rep - 30%
No Party Reg - 27%

Nationally, independents are swinging to Biden around 10 to over 15% Biden. Now it might be a little lower in a state like NC. But lets just say it's 8 or 10.
This points to a really strong head start in NC.

Fingers crossed
 
Trump in FL yesterday. Misogyny and birtherism four years on. :yawn:

We're not supposed to have a socialist — look we're not going to be a socialist nation. We're not going to have a socialist president, especially a female socialist president, we're not gonna' have it, we're not gonna' put up with it," he said.

Mr. Trump, who is struggling in the polls with minorities, also criticized "Barack Hussein Obama," emphasizing the "Hussein" part of the former president's name.
 
I wish it was 2015 like Trump still thinks it is. Shame for his election chances, and the rest of us, that we're in 2020.
 
I was leaning towards Biden but then he made that oil comment.

Oil is our future.

Does oil really matter outside of Texas ?
 
Nepotism problems :( I really can't stand nepotism Ken and Barbie

Politico.com


By CAITLIN OPRYSKO

10/24/2020 11:59 AM EDT

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are threatening to sue the Lincoln Project over billboards the anti-Trump group put up in Times Square assailing them over the White House's coronavirus response.

In a letter to the group posted on Twitter on Friday night, an attorney for the president’s daughter and son-in-law demanded the “false, malicious and defamatory” billboards be taken down.


Marc Kasowitz warned that if the ads stay up, “we will sue you for what will doubtless be enormous compensatory and punitive damages.”

The Lincoln Project was defiant, saying in a scathing public statement that the billboards would stay up.
 
I was leaning towards Biden but then he made that oil comment.

Oil is our future.

Does oil really matter outside of Texas ?

No. except if you want to throw in Gas that matters somewhat in PA. But it's hilarious how even after Biden roundly whooped Trump in the debate - THIS was the entire takeaway from it by the media. Have seen it all over on the fake liberal news channels.

I think they actually believe that Biden, who has a 2 trillion dollar climate change plan that specifically spells out transitioning off of fossil fuels, was somehow going to be a champion for oil and gas deregulation or something. If you are a moderate in TX or PA that has already decided Biden has your vote, I can't see how this does much to change it. But the media needs the drama to make it look like the election could all fall apart from one comment that was already common knowledge.

amazing.
 
One more little polling rant. Looking at district level polling across the country, it seems that the blue shift is more pronounced in those state level races. Nate Silver says it would reflect Biden being up 12-14 nationally. Now this may just be pockets and the overall shift may be less if we look at all the hundreds of races out there, but still a bit of good news. That would mean the USC tracking poll would be looking more probable than the IDB tracking poll.

As older polls drop off the national averages, Biden's numbers are coming down nationally. Currently at 9.2, so kind of heading where I figured. Hopefully he can keep those at least around 8.8 to 9ish as we go through the finish line. Next thing to look for is the final round of polls coming in before election day. I'm guessing we will start to see a bunch starting Tuesday or so.

The other more wishful thinking part. If there truly is a Biden landslide. What would that look like? I think of a Tsunami, and how the size of the earthquake results in the height of the surge and how much it washes over.

So accepting that a landslide in a completely polarized electorate is not very likely. If it does happen, will it wash over states where Trump is +1, +3, +5??? I could definitely see a scenario where it sweeps up GA, TX, OH, and IA. But could it even reach Alaska? Montana? (where most recent polls have been Trump +6 and +4? That's a huge stretch, but one can have dreams.

Again, my likely outcome target is Biden around 350 EC votes. And my most optimistic is about Biden 412. Both of these would be huge. But i just want it to be as crushing as possible for both Trump and all republicans.
 
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