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Old 09-27-2020, 05:53 PM   #141
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NYTimes got trumps taxes.

Not really surprising. The dude is strapped for cash
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So shocking that he pays a pittance in taxes. Trump cult won't care at all. They refuse to see that he's a complete fraud and con man.
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He was paying Melania consulting fees, then writing them off on his taxes.

Hey Trump fools, you're paying more in taxes than he does. And he's laughing at you.
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They don’t care. He’s a brilliant businessman taking advantage of a tax code written by socialist democrats.
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Federal income taxes paid in 2017 (jointly with spouse):

Joe Biden - $3,742,974
Kamala Harris - $516,469
Bernie Sanders - $343,882
Elizabeth Warren - $268,484

Donald Trump - $750
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Federal income taxes paid in 2017 (jointly with spouse):



Joe Biden - $3,742,974

Kamala Harris - $516,469

Bernie Sanders - $343,882

Elizabeth Warren - $268,484



Donald Trump - $750


It kind of angers me that all of those democrats all have incomes large enough such that the amount of taxes they pay are multiple times the amount most Americans make in a year.

But let’s not lose sight of the billionaire who contributes absolutely nothing.
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Don’t forget their healthcare plans too.
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It kind of angers me that all of those democrats all have incomes large enough such that the amount of taxes they pay are multiple times the amount most Americans make in a year.

But let’s not lose sight of the billionaire who contributes absolutely nothing.
Biden was a private citizen in 2017 so he's drawing from consulting fees, speeches, etc.

Because this states household income, most of the taxes attributed to Harris are actually paid on account of her husband (who is a high income earner/lawyer in CA).

Bernie and Liz Warren have household taxes that are basically upper middle class.

Not that any of them are slumming it or anything close, but the 3 that were Senators in 2017 are nowhere near the absurdly wealthy members of Congress like Mittens.
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Biden was a private citizen in 2017 so he's drawing from consulting fees, speeches, etc.



Because this states household income, most of the taxes attributed to Harris are actually paid on account of her husband (who is a high income earner/lawyer in CA).



Bernie and Liz Warren have household taxes that are basically upper middle class.



Not that any of them are slumming it or anything close, but the 3 that were Senators in 2017 are nowhere near the absurdly wealthy members of Congress like Mittens.


I don’t care what Biden was in 2017. You’re missing the point. None of them can understand the common American if they’re all so far removed from common America. It doesn’t matter if it’s a spouse or their own income.

And they are absolutely not upper middle class. Someone paying 300k in taxes, at a modestly approximated effective tax rate, is making $1 million a year. I’m in the middle or upper middle class. Middle class is like 80k, not 500-1000k.

I’m not here to shame Mittens or Biden for being notably richer than the rest. I’m saying that if 20-40% of your income is 3-4x a middle class income (assuming you’re not legally evading taxes), you don’t have a clear grasp at the common American.

This is another reason why America needs AOC (while she is young). And another reason why we need term limits... and hell, age limits.
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We can agree to disagree.

Liz Warren + husband pulling in $600-700K per year in Boston/Washington are probably the top 1% based on INCOME. They are upper middle class as wealthy as it may sound to most average people.

Income is a different matter than (real) wealth, which is built up either generationally or by way of extremely successful entrepreneurship.

Every single one of the Dems on that list know what it is like to be either poor or middle class and spent their formative years (childhood, early adulthood and some even middle age) as such. To me it’s disingenuous to say that because they are relatively well off today they have no concept of what everyone else lives like.

And for heaven’s sake get real, AOC will be just like them in a decade, maybe sooner given that she’s far more marketable and capable of making $ than the 4 of them combined.
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We can agree to disagree.

Liz Warren + husband pulling in $600-700K per year in Boston/Washington are probably the top 1% based on INCOME. They are upper middle class as wealthy as it may sound to most average people.

Income is a different matter than (real) wealth, which is built up either generationally or by way of extremely successful entrepreneurship.

Every single one of the Dems on that list know what it is like to be either poor or middle class and spent their formative years (childhood, early adulthood and some even middle age) as such. To me it’s disingenuous to say that because they are relatively well off today they have no concept of what everyone else lives like.

And for heaven’s sake get real, AOC will be just like them in a decade, maybe sooner given that she’s far more marketable and capable of making $ than the 4 of them combined.


I will not agree to disagree lol, you’re making up a definition for upper middle class that is just categorically false. And it isn’t per person, it’s a household income... middle class is so much lower than you’re making it seem.

https://www.investopedia.com/financi...s-are-you.aspx

It’s not “disingenuous” to be concerned with how someone who was poor 20-60 years ago doesn’t know what it’s like to be poor in 2020. And don’t tell me to get real.
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We can agree to disagree.

Liz Warren + husband pulling in $600-700K per year in Boston/Washington are probably the top 1% based on INCOME. They are upper middle class as wealthy as it may sound to most average people.
That's not upper middle class. That's upper class through and through.
Its not absurdly wealthy but its definitely upper class income.
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A real, honest to goodness clap back from Biden camp to Trump. Good to see.

Biden campaign on President Trump's attempts to make up a drug test policy for the upcoming presidential debate:

Joe Biden "intends to deliver his debate answers in words. If the president thinks his best case is made in urine he can have at it. We’d expect nothing less from Donald Trump, who pissed away the chance to protect the lives of 200K Americans when he didn't make a plan to stop COVID-19."
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I pay significantly more per pay period.

But then I don’t owe $421m to the Russians, so I guess I can live with that.
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A real, honest to goodness clap back from Biden camp to Trump. Good to see.

Biden campaign on President Trump's attempts to make up a drug test policy for the upcoming presidential debate:

Joe Biden "intends to deliver his debate answers in words. If the president thinks his best case is made in urine he can have at it. We’d expect nothing less from Donald Trump, who pissed away the chance to protect the lives of 200K Americans when he didn't make a plan to stop COVID-19."
LOL, oh, damn. Well said.

I'm pretty well solidly lower class, and I do agree with what LN is saying in general. Any of that kind of money is a lot to someone like me-my family would live so comfortably off that kind of income. And I think it's fair to acknowledge that, and point out where that can pose an issue for working class voters.

That said, I do also agree with anitram that I think all those Democratic candidates still, at the end of the day, have a better understanding of what it's like to actually have to work for your pay, and will be more wiling to listen to working class people. And in that case, if they win, we need to not let up on encouraging them to hold the rich accountable and making them pay more.

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And another reason why we need term limits... and hell, age limits.
Also very much agreed on this. Yes.

Also, if the New York Times has any more big stuff to spill about Trump, be it in relation to his tax returns or anything else, please keep sharing it every day until the election. Anything to help further motivate anyone that's not part of Trump's cult to get out and vote.
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I would highly recommend hopping on Kyle Griffin's Twitter right now and see the long list of findings in the tax returns. like: Trump claimed in his financial disclosure that he made 439 million. Actually he lost 47 million.
He has several large debts that are in the hundreds of millions coming due over the next 1 to 4 years. etc...
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It’s not “disingenuous” to be concerned with how someone who was poor 20-60 years ago doesn’t know what it’s like to be poor in 2020. And don’t tell me to get real.
But what in the things e.g. Harris or Warren (or Sanders for that matter) say, or in the policies they propose suggests that they have lost that connection to the lower and middle classes?
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