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Moonlit_Angel said:
And yet this is the same party that's spent months now trying to claim that Biden is the one who's in some sort of decline. Amazing.

So to recap: one of our current presidential candidates is for a party that has been responsible, and advocated others be responsible, when it comes to this virus, who've worn masks in public, and who trust and listen to scientists and medical experts in regards to this pandemic. They have also tried to work with others to help tackle some of the fallout of this virus, and have tried to put guidelines and mandates in place to help keep everyone safe.

Our other presidential candidate is currently at Walter Reed hospital being treated for a virus he refused to take seriously, and his party is getting sick in droves with the same virus because they also refused to take it seriously, and they've put other people at risk, potentially jeopardized our country's national security in the process, and have 200,000 plus American deaths on their hands because of their mismanagement of this virus, as well as their general selfishness and ignorance. And they've got "experts" and "doctors" that nobody can trust, too.

Gee. Yeah. Our choice this November is SUCH a tough one.
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And somehow, all of this is going to improve Trump's chances of re-election, according to some. I find it very odd that anyone could see willful incompetence and subsequent ironic comeuppance as a good political strategy, but perhaps I'm not imaginative enough.
 
anitram said:
I find this totally believable.

So the story will be he went out there to get it on purpose so that he could show the American people that it's totes no big deal (so long as you're hospitalized immediately and started on multiple experimental protocols).

Which is good news for all those who want to sue his ass, if he wants to claim he purposely got it and then infected others as a result, well that's a lawyer's dream.
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Oh, I hope to God there's lawsuits ready to go, because these people deserve every kind of criminal charge thrown at them that's available.

Also, if that's their plan, that's one hell of a slap in the face to all the loved ones of those who've DIED from this virus. Or those who've gotten sick with this and are still feeling severe effects months later. It's not surprising to see them that callous, mind, but it's yet another stark reminder of just how little they truly give a shit about others.

And people wonder why we can't bother to muster up any sort of sympathy for Trump or the other GOP members who've gotten this, why some are going so far as to outright cheer this. This is the kind of attitude and behavior they want to present to the world, fuck them. And fuck every single person who voted for this party and continues to support them or plans to vote for them again, too. If this isn't enough to wake you up and make you realize you've made a gigantic mistake, there's really no hope for you.

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LemonMelon said:
And somehow, all of this is going to improve Trump's chances of re-election, according to some. I find it very odd that anyone could see willful incompetence and subsequent ironic comeuppance as a good political strategy, but perhaps I'm not imaginative enough.
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Like I said yesterday, logic apparently isn't some people's strong point.
 
It's pretty strange to have a race this stable. And because of it, you can almost make predictions of what the outcome of swing states will be by just using one number - 6. This seems to be the average swing from Clinton to Biden in close swing states. A little bit less in southern swing states - so maybe 5 there.

If we do that it would mean:
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MN - Biden +7.5
WI - Biden +5.5
MI - Biden +5.5
PA - Biden +5.5
NC - Biden +3
FL - Biden +3.5
AZ - Biden +2.5
GA - Biden tied
OH - Trump +1
IA - Trump +2
TX - Trump +3

I could see this as a very possible result from a race that has literally only ranged from Biden +7 to Biden +9 in the last four months. Difficult to see any major shifts at this point.

That would be 335 to 187 with GA's 18 points possibly going either way.
 
He looks like he was dragged out of the bed and probably given enough drugs to not feel anything.

Even when his life is on the line, these guys keep pushing the narrative “not a big deal, open it all up!!”

This is probably the most active we’ll see him the rest of the campaign or even longer
 
I mean, he honestly looks 100x better when he's not pumpkin orange - he's still a piece of shit human but with the clownish make up he's :ohmy:
 
Bluer White said:
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I want more than one dot. I want a dot with a line on top of it!

Yes I do wish that every single person who has allowed politics to make it acceptable to downplay a deadly pandemic should face the wraith of the disease because I firmly believe that 1) they’re smug and it’s karma, 2) though I’m not someone of faith, in that lens they are challenging god, and most important of all 3) this high profile outbreak event will save more lives the bigger it gets.
 
LuckyNumber7 said:
I want more than one dot. I want a dot with a line on top of it!

Yes I do wish that every single person who has allowed politics to make it acceptable to downplay a deadly pandemic should face the wraith of the disease because I firmly believe that 1) they’re smug and it’s karma, 2) though I’m not someone of faith, in that lens they are challenging god, and most important of all 3) this high profile outbreak event will save more lives the bigger it gets.
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Yeah, I love how anyone who supports a President who has said the most vile disgusting things about other people can be so outraged about people wishing karma on him. That being said-because I am a much better person than Donald Trump will ever be, I don't wish covid on him or any other person. Or for him or anyone else to die from covid.

I watched my Mom dying of cancer for nine months. And I've had to listen to Donald Trump mocking people who died from brain cancer. So fuck you Trump and all your one-way morality supporters. No moral indignation about taking health care away from people either. Selective hypocritical moral outrage. IT IS WHAT IT IS
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
Gee. Yeah. Our choice this November is SUCH a tough one.
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:hmm: puts on Thinking Cap ...

BEAL said:
https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1312492444961787905?s=21
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Hands out Dunce Caps!!!

Moonlit_Angel said:
Officially the best tweet I've seen in response to this whole mess:

https://twitter.com/AlisonLeiby/status/1312210212741242880
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Heh. Heh. yup.

Headache in a Suitcase said:
I will never forgive conservative media for what they've done to my father (and a few other relatives).

I'm going to have some more bourbon now.
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So sorry, headache. :hug:
 
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https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1312492265479180290
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:hmm: tell us how you really feel, wf?

:D

Twiddledee and Twiddledum, no?
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
Yeah, I love how anyone who supports a President who has said the most vile disgusting things about other people can be so outraged about people wishing karma on him.
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Right? This is the guy who spent all of Obama's presidency pushing a racist birther conspiracy against hi. And people knew that, and still looked at him and said, "Yeah, he should totally win not only the GOP nomination, but also the presidency."

And yet we're supposed to be nice to them, because...?

The Democrats always try and "play nice". We've had to deal with four years of trying to "play nice" with a bully of a president and an administration who made it clear they could do whatever the hell they wanted, rules and consequences be damned, and who refused to hold Trump accountable for any of the horrible things he said and did.

At some point, us nice people are going to inevitably lose our patience and snap back. And I think most of the country is well past that point by now. We're tired. We're frustrated, We're angry. And we have every right to express that. If the right takes issue with it, well, they're the ones who set the bar and made it clear it was okay to be this way. This is what Trump supporters fail to understand: they don't have a single solitary bit of moral high ground to stand on here. They don't get to preach to us, they don't get to spend years treating us like shit and then demand we respect them and act all offended when we fight back and try playing their game.

MrsSpringsteen said:
That being said-because I am a much better person than Donald Trump will ever be, I don't wish covid on him or any other person. Or for him or anyone else to die from covid.
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I'm not wishing death, either. My attitude is more along the lines of, "Gee, I am just so shocked that these people's own stupidity came back to bite them hard in the ass."

MrsSpringsteen said:
I watched my Mom dying of cancer for nine months. And I've had to listen to Donald Trump mocking people who died from brain cancer. So fuck you Trump and all your one-way morality supporters. No moral indignation about taking health care away from people either. Selective hypocritical moral outrage. IT IS WHAT IT IS
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This. This is what pisses me off the most. I still remember that GOP debate from almost a decade ago where the moderator asked the candidates if someone should die if they didn't have insurance, and people in the crowd CHEERED. I remember seeing that at a time when my mom was visiting my dying aunt, and seeing that about a year or so after my dad died, and my family was still dealing with the medical debt that came from that.

I've had to listen to this same party for years preach about how "pro-life" they are while simultaneously trying to take healthcare away from others, and trying to restrict women's rights regarding their reproductive health. And I've had to listen to them call working-class/poor people like my family "freeloading moochers" who want "government handouts" because we dare to demand that we get the same kind of healthcare that people like Trump are currently getting (all while he's cheated the tax system, too, I might add. Meanwhile if my family had done that, we'd (rightly) get a, "Tough shit, you're on your own" response from the government).

So again I say, we're supposed to be nice to these people, and show them sympathy, because...?
 
Can’t stress enough how dangerous it is to have no functional government during these times.

Congress, the White House, and everyone who works in the DC area to support these two establishments have been put at risk of getting sick and not being able to do their jobs.

There are a lot of bad actors out there who have to be plotting how they can take advantage of America’s blind spot right now.
 
Bluer White said:
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Hmmmmm... Let’s see. If I see vile people that have done everything they can to push everyday Americans back into the fire of a raging virus, I will absolutely applaud them getting burned.

I’ve worn my mask, stayed sheltered, have my kid at home for school, sanitized my damn groceries and sure as hell don’t go to political rallies. I’m hoping I can pay my mortgage next month because my household lost a job to Covid and there is only one group of people to blame for our country not flattening the cases in this country early and then opening back up safely. Republicans at every level.

These people are the reason hundreds of thousands of people are DEAD. And 7.5 million have been infected. Yet, we should be heartbroken when they go out and hug and kiss and shake hands and sit 3 inches apart, knowing the science, but not wanting to hurt ONE sociopath’s feelings?

Give me a fucking break. My level of coma passion is NOT the problem in this equation.

Oh. And I hope Trump is enjoying his radical far left socialist medical treatment he’s getting from our tax dollars.
 
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Bluer White said:
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Maybe to dumb it down a bit for you... If there were a group of arsonists that were setting fires to people’s houses in your town. They had killed dozens of people. And Injured thousands of others. One night a house lit on fire collapses and few of them get some burns. Do you feel great compassion for them? Any? Didn’t think so.
 
spare us all, BW. these are the people who demanded HRC end her campaign and started writing obits because she stumbled in 100 degree heat and got sick once.


Trumpworld delighted in cruelty. Now that Trump has COVID, it demands empathy.

Trumpists love their Dear Leader in no small measure because of his talent for unapologetically engaging in abject cruelty.

Whether he was mocking a disabled reporter's affliction and delighting in Hillary Clinton's health travails on the 2016 campaign trail or separating migrant children with Down syndrome from their parents and ridiculing Joe Biden's son's struggle with drug addiction during his time in office — Trump supporters can't get enough of the Dear Leader triggering the libs, or really anyone with a conscience.

To his fervent supporters, Trump's callous viciousness is funny. It's the humorless politically correct scolds and loser Never Trumper conservatives who need to lighten up, they say.

Now that President Trump and first lady Melania have tested positive for COVID-19, Trumpworld has discovered the value of empathy. And they are shocked — shocked! — that some of Trump's critics have delighted in the irony of Trump's coronavirus denialism contributing to his own infection.

On Trump's favorite show, "Fox and Friends," on Friday morning, the conservative Washington Examiner correspondent writer Byron York said, "This is a time for people to pray for their leaders, to wish them well," adding that the Trump critics snarking over his illness would likely come to regret being so mean to the president.

The conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who sells "Leftist Tears" cups on his website, sarcastically tweeted Friday: "Looking forward to all the kind-hearted expressions of sympathy to Trump and Melania from the blue-checkmark Left."

While Shapiro has been cagey in his support for Trump — distinguishing himself from "Never Trump" by calling himself "Sometimes Trump" — he's demonstrated a Trumpian comfortability for mocking the ill, such as when he joked in 2016 that then Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who was sick with pneumonia, "should pledge to defeat ISIS by coughing on them."

The Trumpist podcaster Dan Bongino, who this week praised Trump as "an apex warrior" following his disgraceful debate performance, on Friday tweeted: "This morning is the strongest reminder in a long time about how sick and disgusting the Left is."

Bongino's tone-policing is particularly rich given his proclamation in 2018: "My entire life right now is about owning the libs."

Explicitly laying out his support of "the combative, no-retreat style, of Donald Trump," Bongino wrote: "We will own the Libs today, we will own the Libs tomorrow, we will own the Libs next month, and next year. We will not be retreating or apologizing anymore."

To be sure, even an amoral bully like Trump deserves sympathy for contracting a dreaded disease that's already killed 200,000 of his fellow Americans. Anyone wishing for his suffering can't claim any moral high ground.

But in a roundup of "liberal ghouls"' tweets on his site, Bongino conflates some truly vicious comments from partisan activists with reasonable and fact-based tweets such as NBC News correspondent Heidi Przybyla saying, "After months of publicly rejecting the advice of his own medical experts, President Trump has fallen victim to his own false narrative around the risks of the coronavirus."

It is completely appropriate and relevant to point out that Trump contracted a disease whose lethality he willfully lied to the American public about. He also personally made mask-wearing the dumbest culture-war battle of our time.

And even after tepidly walking back his mask skepticism over the summer, he mocked Biden at this week's debate for often he wears masks:

"I don't wear face masks like him. Every time you see him he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away ... and he shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen."

At that same debate on Tuesday, Trump's guests were offered surgical masks by Cleveland Clinic doctors. They refused.

Now that Trump, Melania, White House senior adviser Hope Hicks, and Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel have all tested positive for COVID-19, perhaps the president and his supporters will at last take the pandemic seriously and engage in very simple and easy preventative measures.

These would include wearing masks, discouraging large crowds, and eschewing the spread of coronavirus conspiracy theories that misinform millions of people who hang on the president's every word.

While it's unkind and inhumane to take delight in another person's suffering, there's not a thing wrong with criticizing Trump's handling of the virus and saying that in some ways he brought this on himself.

Trumpists who've luxuriated in the president's cruelty should recognize the difference.
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It's very similar to the right's constant, "So much for the tolerant left!" thing they love to spout. Because apparently they still can't seem to figure out the difference between wanting people to be tolerant of different sexual orientations or races or ethnicities or so forth-you know, aspects of people that don't hurt anyone and which are an integral part of who they are, and wanting people to be tolerant of racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic views. Things that do hurt people and viewpoints which you're not born having and can choose not to have at any time.

ETA: There's also the fact that even now, people in the White House continue to currently lie and obfuscate the truth about what's really going on, which, as has been noted numerous times, puts our nation as a whole at risk in terms of national security, and there's people in the White House still refusing to quarantine even after all that's happened in the last couple days.

I guarantee, if the Obama or Clinton administrations had pulled that kind of extremely dangerous stunt, and were that deliberate in their lies and refusal to follow laws and rules and norms, nobody would give them a pass, nobody would ask for sympathy or empathy or compassion. And rightly so. Same logic applies here.
 
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My sister postponed her wedding. My uncle still hasn’t had a funeral. He died (not COVID) in May.

Amy and Trump got their little party!
 
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