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Old 08-29-2020, 01:48 PM   #381
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Macho Man played at a Trump rally. Woosh right over their heads. Poor put upon white guy.

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A man approached a 7News broadcast team and threatened to bomb them while at a rally for President Donald Trump in New Hampshire Friday night, all while the song “Macho Man” was playing in the background.

And all of that was caught on video.

Reporter Alex DiPrato posted the clip, which is nearly a minute and a half, on Twitter around 9:30 p.m. Friday. It’s quickly gathered roughly 1.4 million views.


“This man approached us the first time outside the Trump rally, left, then came back a second time while ‘Macho Man’ was playing. #machoman,” DiPrato wrote in the tweet accompanying the clip.

In it, a man in a white shirt and sunglasses can be seen walking up to the crew as DiPrato stands in front of the camera, though it doesn’t appear the crew was filming a segment at the time. The man initially asks about an incident involving U.S. Senator Rand Paul, likely referring to protesters surrounding him as he left the White House after the Republican National Convention early Friday morning.


DiPrato soon steps out of camera view after the man approaches him and stands close to him.

“You guys know what happened to Rand Paul last night?” the man said. “How would you like that to happen to you? We’re Americans, too. Our lives matter don’t we? Even though we’re white. Yeah, you can act like you’ve got someone to text but you’re really just a pussy"

The man then also steps in and out of the camera frame, and as filming continues of people in the background, the man questions how DiPrato “can sleep at night when you lie to people.”

After using explicit language, including to describe Democratic presidential nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden, the man then says, “you’ll pay.”

“Someone’s gonna bomb you,” he said. “Might even be tonight.”
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Melania and Ivanka lol

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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...551433730?s=21

Guys, if Russia tries to interfere we’ll send you a sticky note
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What would stop Russia (or anyone) from changing votes ? How would we even know ?

The Dems need to start sharing what they already know is going on. If Trump isn’t going to play by the rules then why should anyone ?
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Some are also there because people keep burning things down and looting.

Don’t underestimate the power of that.
But I'll counter that with this. People who have really stepped back and learned some things over the last few years, especially this year about racial justice and systemic racism, may see the rioting as counterproductive and stupidly giving Trump a social wedge issue to work with. But I also know that change doesn't happen without some true outrage.

I think Dr. King said - Rioting is the language of the unheard.

Let's just look at the past 4-5 months. Floyd is killed on camera by a policeman that knelt on his neck for 9 minutes. 2 of those minutes after he lay motionless. The largest demonstrations ever for racial justice followed. It began with rioting and looting, but protests, almost all peaceful, remained for 2 months, across the country and the world. What came in response? Peaceful protests attacked by police and nameless paramilitary with tear gas and rubber bullets. The streets "dominated" by Trump because well, That's what wannabe dictators do.

Meanwhile corporations tweeted inspiring words about supporting the cause and how we are supporting change and everyone posted BLM posts, and Black squares on IG, oh what a movement - change was in the air!!!!

And what happened...?

The Minneapolis police dept. completely restructured, and some weak ass bill that said, "try not to use choke holds if you can avoid it" passed or didn't, I don't even know it was such a weak response.

And that's it.

Even before Kenosha, the favorability of BLM went from 65 to 45. Even while no other protests were taking place. Why? White people moved on. Got tired of actually hearing black people talk about wanting to just "matter". It was a fun social media distraction for a month.

So then you see a man shot in the back from 1 foot away while the officer literally has a hold of his shirt. What are we to expect the reaction to be? Let's go out and hold signs again?

The people that are going to be swayed to Trump because of a couple days of rioting followed by peaceful protests, are ones that sadly have that ingrained racism within them that they haven't reckoned with. They still fear "the other". They fear black people actually responding with outrage over what keeps happening over and over. They may superficially support BLM, or think policing changes need to happen. But they just don't want any of that near their neck of the woods. Because it's much easier to ignore it and go to Costco.

All that said. Kenosha was incredibly horrible timing to happen during the RNC. But it will be out of people's consciousness within a couple weeks and Covid will still be there. Their lost job will still be there, their friend or family member dying will still be with them, their struggle to pay rent or bills will still be there.

My best guess is that Biden's 2 point bump in the polls post-DNC will probably be erased over the next couple weeks post-RNC. But then the question is what happens after that.

Bottom line. The people that go to Trump because of seeing rioting after a disgusting shooting of a black man, are still making their choice out of racist feelings.
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But I'll counter that with this. People who have really stepped back and learned some things over the last few years, especially this year about racial justice and systemic racism, may see the rioting as counterproductive and stupidly giving Trump a social wedge issue to work with. But I also know that change doesn't happen without some true outrage.



I think Dr. King said - Rioting is the language of the unheard.



Let's just look at the past 4-5 months. Floyd is killed on camera by a policeman that knelt on his neck for 9 minutes. 2 of those minutes after he lay motionless. The largest demonstrations ever for racial justice followed. It began with rioting and looting, but protests, almost all peaceful, remained for 2 months, across the country and the world. What came in response? Peaceful protests attacked by police and nameless paramilitary with tear gas and rubber bullets. The streets "dominated" by Trump because well, That's what wannabe dictators do.



Meanwhile corporations tweeted inspiring words about supporting the cause and how we are supporting change and everyone posted BLM posts, and Black squares on IG, oh what a movement - change was in the air!!!!



And what happened...?



The Minneapolis police dept. completely restructured, and some weak ass bill that said, "try not to use choke holds if you can avoid it" passed or didn't, I don't even know it was such a weak response.



And that's it.



Even before Kenosha, the favorability of BLM went from 65 to 45. Even while no other protests were taking place. Why? White people moved on. Got tired of actually hearing black people talk about wanting to just "matter". It was a fun social media distraction for a month.



So then you see a man shot in the back from 1 foot away while the officer literally has a hold of his shirt. What are we to expect the reaction to be? Let's go out and hold signs again?



The people that are going to be swayed to Trump because of a couple days of rioting followed by peaceful protests, are ones that sadly have that ingrained racism within them that they haven't reckoned with. They still fear "the other". They fear black people actually responding with outrage over what keeps happening over and over. They may superficially support BLM, or think policing changes need to happen. But they just don't want any of that near their neck of the woods. Because it's much easier to ignore it and go to Costco.



All that said. Kenosha was incredibly horrible timing to happen during the RNC. But it will be out of people's consciousness within a couple weeks and Covid will still be there. Their lost job will still be there, their friend or family member dying will still be with them, their struggle to pay rent or bills will still be there.



My best guess is that Biden's 2 point bump in the polls post-DNC will probably be erased over the next couple weeks post-RNC. But then the question is what happens after that.



Bottom line. The people that go to Trump because of seeing rioting after a disgusting shooting of a black man, are still making their choice out of racist feelings.



I hope I’m wrong, but Kenosha feels different to me. It could be timing, or it could be because it’s in a swing state.

Again: hope I’m wrong.
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I hope I’m wrong, but Kenosha feels different to me. It could be timing, or it could be because it’s in a swing state.

Again: hope I’m wrong.
I think you’re right that feels different. But why? Because he didn’t die? Just paralyzed and major organ damage?
I think it’s different because after such a huge push with George Floyd, people fighting for the cause are exhausted. Nothing changes with Trump and Republicans in the Senate.

And you are right again. Timing. This was in a way like the Comey letter/news conference with Clinton. It just hit at a time that gave Trump fuel to feed on.

I don’t know. My hope is that with Clinton that fuel kept burning because it was already flaming before. Here, Biden denounced violent protests back in May. His polls went up during demonstrations, even non-peaceful ones. His polls remained up through Portland. I think this will be a flare up, but will pass. I would bet by next Friday we are talking about something else.

The only problem I see is the media, yet again. They want a close race. A foregone conclusion doesn’t bring ratings.
So even though Kenosha will have died down, they will look at every poll that Trump has a slight bump in, and talk for days about how Trump succeeded in his Law and order message!!

I hope that Biden and Harris do some real work here. They need to push back now and push back hard.

They need to use Trump’s own catchphrase against him in ads. Show the police beating protestors, food lines, unemployment office lines, people dying in hospital beds and say, This is Trump’s America. Vote Biden for a better future.

Don’t despair. We on the left get freaked out about this stuff. But there is still far more going against Trump than for him. This too shall pass.
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They need to use Trump’s own catchphrase against him in ads. Show the police beating protestors, food lines, unemployment office lines, people dying in hospital beds and say, This is Trump’s America. Vote Biden for a better future.
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But why do they want that? They think they are going to overturn Roe. What other values would Trump represent?



There are plenty of Republicans, I would say hundreds of thousands that have actual conservative values (Smaller government, less spending, free trade, lower taxes, etc... ) That know that Trump stands for none of these and are actively opposing him. There are definitely other Repubs with those values, but are also racist, so they are supporting Trump. They use the “values” excuse (that is nonsensical) to cover their true motive.



No actual non-racist conservative would support Donald Trump on policy. They are there because Trump speaks to their ingrained racism, and dream for a country filled with Suburban Housewives, serving up pot roast while the blacks stay quiet and be happy that racism doesn’t exist, and filthy immigrant animals get what’s coming to them.



In fact long time Republicans that are still in the administration have admitted that the party no longer has any beliefs. It’s only function is to “own the libs and piss off the media”.



I’m sure the NYTimes has printed nonsense to the contrary. They have a solid history of it these last couple years.


I don’t disagree with most of your thoughts here, I think it applies a lot (although I’d argue the Times has been fairly strong of late). But there are plenty of folks out there voting strictly on their core conservative values and still believe Trump is the best option, even if he’s clearly not. Hell, I have “friends” on Facebook who are, and when you try to talk sense to them, they just don’t listen. I don’t believe it makes all of them racist though. Stupid, yes.

Maybe it is “ingrained” racism as you put it, that it’s there and they just don’t know, but there’s an entire swath of these people who I worry will be sticking with Trump this November. I hope I’m wrong...
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The BTS fan group One in an ARMY that was among those who ruined Trump's Tulsa event chose the organisation I'm working with for a fundraiser. https://tiltify.com/+bts-army/jiyanwithjk
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I don’t disagree with most of your thoughts here, I think it applies a lot (although I’d argue the Times has been fairly strong of late). But there are plenty of folks out there voting strictly on their core conservative values and still believe Trump is the best option, even if he’s clearly not. Hell, I have “friends” on Facebook who are, and when you try to talk sense to them, they just don’t listen. I don’t believe it makes all of them racist though. Stupid, yes.

Maybe it is “ingrained” racism as you put it, that it’s there and they just don’t know, but there’s an entire swath of these people who I worry will be sticking with Trump this November. I hope I’m wrong...
I guess I come from a perspective of living in many different areas of the country in my life.
I grew up mainly in WI, MI for 7 years, lived in East TX for a while, Seattle for a while, Central Oregon for some time, FL for 11 years, and now TN.

What I can tell you is that the racism in the south is much more out in the open. But my time in the midwest showed me, what i like to call "polite racism". They don't think of themselves as having racist views.. They do indeed have "black friends", but a place like WI is filled with white professionals and white non professionals that make a good living, work hard, may be a bit more liberal on things like abortion, but still have this... "those people need to stop killing eachother" "those people need to get jobs" "did you see who moved in over on Maple St.?" sort of undercurrent.
These are the ones that I worry about, because Joe is a candidate that could easily win their vote this time. They would not have been Bernie voters, or even Warren most likely. But give them 6 weeks of a news cycle about violence in the streets, and they may either sit home or vote Trump.

Again. Biden needs to push back vocally. He needs to be a constant presence in MI, WI, PA, and FL from here until election day.
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https://twitter.com/imagineworldas1/...715515905?s=21

Our government betrayed and failed us. Trump should have never stepped foot inside the White House and once he got in, officials basically protected him (and themselves) since
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I hope I’m wrong, but Kenosha feels different to me. It could be timing, or it could be because it’s in a swing state.

Again: hope I’m wrong.
It's harder because he was wanted for a felony, because they tried to tase him, because he resisted and because he had a knife. That's different than a clearly unarmed man getting his neck kneeled on for 8 minutes because he cashed a bad check.

And please, before anyone says it, I know full well that it SHOULDN'T matter - and I'm not saying it matters to ME.

But to an electorate that largely wants to support law enforcement and reviles the looting and rioting? It gives them that out - whereas only the most outwardly racist piece of garbage could even remotely try and argue that Floyd was justified.
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Biden needs to be running ads like this. Trump is off the air for another week. Flood the market with ads like this and grab hold of the narrative.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...75599831740417
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Smells like 2016

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US Politics XXV: At Least We're Not Australia

Michael Moore is concerned.

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You can, actually, blame it on all of those things + and also blame it on the sheer stupidity of our shit hole country.
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https://twitter.com/gregggonsalves/s...212257792?s=21

Can read thru the thread but points are we have a quack leading the covid response in White House.

He’s pushing herd immunity (but protect elderly), let economy open fully.

I’m telling my friends back home who tend to vote 3rd party that voting for Biden means we’ll save millions of lives.

That’s it. No policy talk. It’s life or death. Another term of Trump means this. He and whoever else is in his ear won’t do what’s right.
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Michael Moore is an idiot.

First, this is the guy that has bashed Biden for the past year and then comes out and says, "Oh No!! Emergency!!! I told you this could happen!!"

Second, He understands nothing about polling. comparing 2020 numbers with 2016 numbers is apples and oranges.
First, the polling for the most part has changed methodology, weighting by education and 2016 voter makeup.
Second. The number of undecideds in 2016 at this point was 18%, now it's 6 or less.
Third, Biden is still near or above 50% in most of these state polls, something that Clinton was not near.
Fourth to post a Trafalger poll result, is pretty much polling malpractice. Maybe also mention that this poll is about 8 points off of every other pollster and is always about 6 to 8 points to the right of every legitimate pollster.

Now please MM. just shut the fuck up.
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Now please MM. just shut the fuck up.
Yes and yes.
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