US Politics XXIX: The Final Thread Before XXX

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well Jerry pretty well killed this thread.

Utah went Trump. Sorry guys. I tried
 
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Orange won Florida and Texas, says our local media. How bad is this for Biden?
 
We just couldn't have a simple, easy election, could we? Nope. Had to be as crazy as the rest of 2020.

Eh, well, guess we'll all pick up and learn more numbers tomorrow, then? Yay?

The rules of the entertainment industry apply everywhere. The process has to be long, tense, and with cliffhangers between episodes.
 
It sounded like there weren't a lot of them this year, so I think a lot of people felt they weren't going to matter one way or another. At least, that was the impression I'd had-most people I encountered were mocking anyone who claimed to still be undecided.



My argument all along was “a poll that says 49-43 is bullshit and the mysterious missing 8% is not being honest because nobody is undecided.”

That argument was largely shrugged off. This is exactly what happened in Florida. Biden hit his polling expectations pretty well ie most polls said he was getting 48%. Most polls said Trump was getting 47%. Our final results are saying those “undecided” wink wink voters all voted for Trump. They are my parents. They are everyone’s parents. They’re the parents of kids who are ashamed of their greedy parents.
 
I’m beginning to think policy means nothing.

It’s force of personality. And a voter’s sense of cultural identity.
 
I’m beginning to think policy means nothing.

It’s force of personality. And a voter’s sense of cultural identity.



YES. Now you’re freaking jiving with me.

This is why I fully thought Sanders could have won in 2016.

But I will maintain just the same that it’s why he wouldn’t fair any better than Biden right now. Trump already built his name and cult of personality or whatever. Referendum on that shit.
 
YES. Now you’re freaking jiving with me.

This is why I fully thought Sanders could have won in 2016.

But I will maintain just the same that it’s why he wouldn’t fair any better than Biden right now. Trump already built his name and cult of personality or whatever. Referendum on that shit.



We did also learn tonight that “socialism” is a way to motivate the R base.
 
I'm wondering if we should've talked a lot about the high voter turnout leading up to today, too. I think that helped motivate the Republicans to come out today as well.

Like I said earlier, I know that the mail-in debacle has affected counting a lot of the ballots that are already in. But since the turnout was so high prior to today, would that have managed to overcome some of that? 'Cause it just seems so weird that the turnout was so high (to the point of record breaking), which normally benefits Democrats, and yet the race is so close.
 
I'm wondering if we should've talked a lot about the high voter turnout leading up to today, too. I think that helped motivate the Republicans to come out today as well.



Like I said earlier, I know that the mail-in debacle has affected counting a lot of the ballots that are already in. But since the turnout was so high prior to today, would that have managed to overcome some of that? 'Cause it just seems so weird that the turnout was so high (to the point of record breaking), which normally benefits Democrats, and yet the race is so close.



Ok so not to be the “I told you so” guy but I literally made this case as well about voter turnout and about the best possible place to be in the polls is consistently behind in a tight race. That psychologically has to benefit Trump’s ability to motivate voters to get out and vote.
 
Boy... GA is really starting to be the ray of hope. If Fulton alone holds its breakdown of 72% Biden (possible, since the remaining vote is absentee supposedly) then the margin is 8000 votes.

With well over 100,000 votes in other blue neighboring counties with similar blue tilts.
 
Sanders had one path. WI, MI, and PA. That's it. I fully believe he would have won those three states. And I would love to see a Sanders presidency. But I don't think there would have been ANY discussion of NC, GA, FL or TX. And at some point, Dems need to expand the map, as the blue wall gets weaker. FL has become a red state. Warren, Pete, Booker, Castro, Amy K. - none of them would have fared better. The only one, oddly, that I think would maaaayyyybbeeee had some sort of a chance was Steyer???
But i dunno.
Anyway, I think Biden and Sanders were the only ones with a real shot.
 
Boy... GA is really starting to be the ray of hope. If Fulton alone holds its breakdown of 72% Biden (possible, since the remaining vote is absentee supposedly) then the margin is 8000 votes.

With well over 100,000 votes in other blue neighboring counties with similar blue tilts.

Agreed. I think if Biden can pull GA and AZ, this is a successful win. I don't like that WI is gonna be so close. Just makes me sick that I am in a country that can give this amount of support to a true sociopath. Even if Biden wins, I'm as sick to my stomach as I was in 2016.
 
This may send me to bed.

Imagine a Republican bragging about winning Texas.

And now Trump is saying that he won. He mentioned SCOTUS. We are in the nightmare scenario.
 
And there it is. He’s going to use the Supreme Court to try to stop states from counting votes.

EC should award no votes from those states if that happens.
 
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