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RBG has recurrent pancreatic cancer.

Very, very likely she doesn't make it to November. Terrifying.

Need to win the Senate and immediately expand and pack the SCOTUS.
 
I mean, clearly if there was a democrat (or even at least a human being) in the White House she'd be retired by now.
87, been through multiple cancer battles and other health issues.
I'm sure she takes pride in/loves her job but the woman's body can only take so much.
Hoping she can respond well to treatment, work 6 more months, then retire and have some healthy time left to enjoy.
 
Yes, metastasis to the liver. She is unfortunately living on borrowed time.

Even if the Senate is won, this could be McConnell's final act.

This is why the Democrats have to stop pretending like the GOP has any principles left and immediately expand and pack the court.
 
anitram said:
Yes, metastasis to the liver. She is unfortunately living on borrowed time.

Even if the Senate is won, this could be McConnell's final act.

This is why the Democrats have to stop pretending like the GOP has any principles left and immediately expand and pack the court.
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McConnell would almost assuredly lose his majority in the senate (Collins etc.) so unless the writing is truly on the wall and he appears to have already lost it, I’m sure he will intentionally cave into the dem delays if this scenario plays out.
 
I’m not so sure ... SCOTUS judges seem to awaken the base, especially a base that wants Roberts’ head on a platter these days. It’s fair to say that one of the reasons the R’s did so well on the Senate side of thingnw in 2018, compared to getting crushed in the House, was because of the Kavanaugh hearings. Maybe replacing RBG makes him a hero.

I hope we don’t get to find this out.
 
LuckyNumber7 said:
McConnell would almost assuredly lose his majority in the senate (Collins etc.) so unless the writing is truly on the wall and he appears to have already lost it, I’m sure he will intentionally cave into the dem delays if this scenario plays out.
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Not a chance he doesn't do everything in his power to fill the seat
 
Irvine511 said:
I’m not so sure ... SCOTUS judges seem to awaken the base, especially a base that wants Roberts’ head on a platter these days. It’s fair to say that one of the reasons the R’s did so well on the Senate side of thingnw in 2018, compared to getting crushed in the House, was because of the Kavanaugh hearings. Maybe replacing RBG makes him a hero.

I hope we don’t get to find this out.
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Awakens a base.

People like Susan Collins were elected on the premise of being a moderate who wouldn’t stand for candidates like Kavanaugh. She is basically required to vote for what McConnell does in order for it to pass. If McConnell is posed with this situation, pushing the nominee is senate suicide. If it looks competitive, he will get a nominee on the table and do everything he can to not have that vote before the election (and prospect it for lame duckness if Trump loses).

If it’s in lame duckness, republicans Lisa Murkowski, up in 2022, will likely be shy to support.

This is a minefield and it’s not as simple and virtuous as stuffing the nominee in there. It’s a game of chess and they will take a monumental setback in power if they try to posture with strength only to be unclothed during the election. The Democrats will in fact respond with fire and fury to overhaul the court if they capture all 3 and have a lame duck Supreme Court nominee.
 
Of course it’s a chess game, but McConnell always outwits the Democrats, and would have no reason to think he couldn’t do the same again.
 
Generally speaking it takes about 60-70 days to confirm a justice from the day one is nominated.

I am sure the Democrats are currently writing memos on all possible maneuvers to lengthen this process. Would be interesting to see a summary of that.

Would then at least allow you to count down from January 21 to what date is "acceptable" as much as it is horrifyingly morbid to be considering it in these terms. But the GOP has long abandoned its principles so here we all are.
 
anitram said:
Generally speaking it takes about 60-70 days to confirm a justice from the day one is nominated.
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Nowadays maybe, but until the early 20th century it sometimes could be done pretty fast. As in, have the president nominate someone in the morning and have him confirmed in the afternoon.
Given that this might present the Republicans an opportunity to have a long-lasting influence on the Supreme Court (a 6-3 majority), they might push it through, immediate consequences be damned.

I am sure the Democrats are currently writing memos on all possible maneuvers to lengthen this process. Would be interesting to see a summary of that.
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There is no filibuster for judicial appointments, including for the Supreme Court, nor any law regarding the procedure. So if they really want the Republicans can probably bypass all maneuvers and directly go for confirmation in the Senate.

Would then at least allow you to count down from January 21 to what date is "acceptable" as much as it is horrifyingly morbid to be considering it in these terms. But the GOP has long abandoned its principles so here we all are.
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From what I understand from this article, the important date is 3 January. https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Jul15.html#item-2
That is the day the new Senate will be installed. If the Democrats have a majority then it will no longer be possible to get a conservative firebrand through. If they don't have a majority then the magic date is 21 January, presuming that a Democrat is installed as president.
 
Popmartijn said:
There is no filibuster for judicial appointments, including for the Supreme Court, nor any law regarding the procedure. So if they really want the Republicans can probably bypass all maneuvers and directly go for confirmation in the Senate.
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No, there are definitely procedural moves they can make to slow down the appointment - quorum calls and other things. These aren't laws regarding SCOTUS procedures, but procedural rules regarding the Senate as a legislative body.

In theory they could also convince a Republican member of the judiciary committee to slow down by demanding investigations, etc (a la Kavanaugh). In theory anyway.
 
So for months now, the Trump campaign has tried to do a reset, reboot, or whatever of the campaign. It got shot down in Tulsa, it got shot down again in NH.

The last couple months have been to double down on being more overtly racist. Then it was LAW AND ORDER!!!, then it was trying to come up with new nicknames for Biden, last week it was washing machines, shower heads and light bulbs.

The new one, that they say the team really has come together on, is to label Biden, as a Sanders puppet. That Biden is a phony moderate that is going to be a placeholder in the WH but Bernie will pull the strings and play out the radical left, socialist, marxist agenda.

Good luck on this one guys. LOL

It's true that Biden and Sanders have created a cooperative group to work on lots of issues, and Biden has made some major moves to the left in the last couple months. Most notably on climate change, now touting a plan that is on par with Gov. Inslee's and Warren's.
This is a great thing and hope that Sanders supporters see that Biden is willing to listen and change as he goes.

But good luck getting any voters to view Biden as a radical leftist. These guys are hilarious.


In other news. While we await any help from the likes of Bloomberg. There are now about half a dozen Never Trump Republican organizations running full steam to help Biden, and even some down ballot candidates.
This week, The Lincoln Project is starting ground operations in TX and OH.
Ohio is often overlooked these days. It was THE state for a about 12 years of election cycles. But Biden is running a couple points ahead there, and the truth is, Trump has NO path, none, without OH. So glad to see it getting attention.
 
Man I almost wish Biden was Bernie's puppet.

womanfish said:
There are now about half a dozen Never Trump Republican organizations running full steam to help Biden, and even some down ballot candidates.

This week, The Lincoln Project is starting ground operations in TX and OH.
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Is this a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' thing or do you genuinely think these guys aren't complete shitheads themselves?
 
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1284493940981411841?s=21

One really forgotten and fucked up aspect of this is no one making these decisions within DHS has been approved by the senate to work there.

They’re all “acting” which is the point. Trump can install someone he likes without congressional approval, and then get rid of them if there’s too much heat or they don’t bow to him all the time.

While i understand the senate may not do anything i am really tired of the Democrats giving up and telling us to just vote.

It’s important we do that but at the same time wouldn’t it help the population to know what were up against ? Telling us to vote using a system that’s being actively destroyed seems like setting us up for failure.

I don’t get why there have been no hearings anymore. Why the house can’t use their powers of the law to bring people in (or thrown in jail for refusing).

If we can get more light shed on all the bullshit going on, it won’t be so shocking when it happens in November. It’s hard to call something fake news when it’s discovered months in advance.

If Trumps police force get their way, they’ll be pulling people out of voting lines.
 
Vlad n U 2 said:
Man I almost wish Biden was Bernie's puppet.



Is this a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' thing or do you genuinely think these guys aren't complete shitheads themselves?
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A couple things here. I think that we should all applaud Biden for doing something that Clinton didn't really do. Which is realize the importance that Bernie and his supporters play in the current Dem/left/liberal/progressive party. And not just give lip service, but to actually put together a team of equal numbers Sanders and Biden reps to come together and work on putting more progressive policies into Biden's platform.

Second. Are some of the people involved in the Never Trumper orgs still shitheads? Sure. But to be fair here. Our system is set up to have opposing parties. Without two sane, stable parties, then things get off balance. A lot of the Never Trumpers have abandoned the Republican party all together. Some still hold the title of Republican. They may still hold many views that I find objectionable. But they don't want a fascist, authoritarian state, or their party to be branded as a white nationalist party. So some are hoping that their party can take a beating and then regroup and come back better. And I have to respect that.

It got me thinking that I don't think a lot of us have put ourselves in these people's shoes. Imagine a Democratic or a very charismatic third party "progressive" got elected, but then veered way off path into dangerous territory and was tearing down our country in front of our eyes. Would we do what these people have done? Stand up and say, our party is joke now? Our party is being led by a dangerous sociopath? And spend all their time, effort and money to fight against it, and not just against it, but FOR the party they have opposed their entire adult lives? I don't know.
I still have yet to see any Sanders supporters come out in any numbers and say they were wrong to not vote, or vote third party in 2016. Even after all this shit has happened. But we have tens of thousands of Republicans saying how wrong and sorry they are for their choice in 2016. I think it deserves some respect.

Now I'm not saying that many of these folks will not be back in the saddle for Romney or some other moderate Rep. next time. But they will not be back for a Tom Cotton or Mike Pompeo. And that's a good thing.
 
For example.

The first tweet from Steve Schmidt of The Lincoln Project this morning:

https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1284513187833032704

Donald Trump is a racist disgrace whose hourly desecration’s of our highest ideals and simple decency render him unworthy to say the name John Lewis out loud. His golfing partner Lindsey Graham is also a deeply unworthy man. SC voters can honor John Lewis by firing Graham and Replacing him with a good and honorable man - @harrisonjaime

To see former Republicans do this day in and day out, and fight against Trump and his bootlickers, is much more powerful to me than hearing it from the same old crew from the left. Maybe that's just me. But I think it makes much more of an impact.
 
phanan said:
I almost wonder if Bloomberg is waiting closer to the election before he goes all out on Trump. Obviously the Never Trumpers and Trump himself are doing enough damage for now.
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I was just thinking the same thing when I read the post about Bloomberg not yet doing much on this page (and there another post like that a page or two before the one above)
It's been said (in the USA) for a long time...
that the average citizen starts paying attention to Elections after Labor Day .
Not like us polititical "junkies"! :nerd: :D

I sure hope you and I are right! :up: :up:
 
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phanan said:
I almost wonder if Bloomberg is waiting closer to the election before he goes all out on Trump. Obviously the Never Trumpers and Trump himself are doing enough damage for now.
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It makes zero sense for him to pump millions into ads now. The job is being done for him.

He's also spent a shit ton of money funding contract tracing in the northeast, as all hacks do.
 
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