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Old 06-07-2020, 09:05 PM   #261
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Old 06-07-2020, 09:37 PM   #263
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It is a fact that many key areas of American society require better funding than they are currently receiving and most American cities place greater emphasis on funding their police forces than the average Canadian or western European city.

You can adjust the terminology away from "defund the police," but I'm tired of the US being funded like a police state. If education, parks and recreation, housing and infrastructure need reform, we know what can take a hit. "Police reform" is not enough when reforming life for minorities could make over-policing a thing of the past. It's especially important that this be presented to leaders while city budgets are being reimagined due to the pandemic.

Abolishing police is a stupid proposal considering our gun situation. We're not ready for that, or even close.
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Well, well, look at that.

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It is a fact that many key areas of American society require better funding than they are currently receiving and most American cities place greater emphasis on funding their police forces than the average Canadian or western European city.

You can adjust the terminology away from "defund the police," but I'm tired of the US being funded like a police state. If education, parks and recreation, housing and infrastructure need reform, we know what can take a hit. "Police reform" is not enough when reforming life for minorities could make over-policing a thing of the past. It's especially important that this be presented to leaders while city budgets are being reimagined due to the pandemic.

Abolishing police is a stupid proposal considering our gun situation. We're not ready for that, or even close.
I'm quite embarrassed I didn't realize that NYC's Police Budget equaled the combined budget of these several essential services.
I have been concerned about the militarization of the police over ?last decade (?)+ .
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I'm quite embarrassed I didn't realize that NYC's Police Budget equaled the combined budget of these several essential services.
I have been concerned about the militarization of the police over ?last decade (?)+ .
It's a very complex issue, as fiscal budgets are already set in certain areas and money can't be readily shifted from one to another on a dime, but it's a matter of will and priority. The disenfranchised need to be heard and valued.

If you would like to read more about the situation in NYC, this article is illuminating:

https://ny.curbed.com/2020/6/5/21279...g-homelessness

The housing situation is dire and will only get worse once people can start being evicted again in August.
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“Abolish the police” does not mean there will be no policing. It just means that you start afresh with a new institution rather that trying to fix a corrupt one with powerful unions. Look at what Camden, NJ did. Move towards community policing. It’s a global best practice.
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“Abolish the police” does not mean there will be no policing. It just means that you start afresh with a new institution rather that trying to fix a corrupt one with powerful unions. Look at what Camden, NJ did. Move towards community policing. It’s a global best practice.


“Restart the police”
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Restart and reboot yourself
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A bee de boo da bop stop abadooda police
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So in the last 48 hours

Romney, Condi Rice, Bush, not voting for Trump, and Colin Powell endorsing Biden.

Also. Mittens marching in the street in DC saying Black Lives Matter.

Woooooooeeeeee.

I’ve seen a couple people say they wish Bush would endorse Biden. Not sure if that would be a good thing or not. I guess if it swung TX it would be. But still skeptical
Mitt really out here this year distancing himself as much as possible from the GOP, huh? Damn. 2020 truly is wild.

But hey, if all these people continuing to speak out helps get more people voting against Trump, then fantastic. Keep it up.

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“Abolish the police” does not mean there will be no policing. It just means that you start afresh with a new institution rather that trying to fix a corrupt one with powerful unions. Look at what Camden, NJ did. Move towards community policing. It’s a global best practice.
John Oliver mentioned the example of Camden on tonight's show. Sounds like a logical step to me.

(Great episode of that show tonight as well, definitely worth watching for any who are interested.)
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I’m all for it. All these points are valid and often Good Ideas.

But, please. Step away from that phrase “Defund The Police” until January 21, 2021.

That’s all I ask. That will keep real, meaningful change possible, instead of inspiring backlash.
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If we’re on to cheap sloganeering, then Make the Police Great Again.

That Bolton book will be great. He is an incredibly petty person so you know what content you can expect. Fox News will quickly rebrand him as a liberal in cahoots with George Bush, the infamous progressive.
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Holy shitballs

new CNN national poll:

Biden 55%
Trump 41%
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That sort of polling is why you can see (predictably) that the rats are abandoning the ship.

It's no coincidence that we have W Bush, Condi Rice, Mittens, Jeb, Colin Powell and now Paul Ryan and John Boehner are "declining" to say who they will support in November. These people are either posturing for 2024 or trying to re-write history by allowing this hideous man to "govern" for 3.5 years without so much as a whisper of opposition. Remember all of them, that entire party.

Susan Collins' brow will soon need a muscle relaxant to stop furrowing.
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Let's not get too excited about current polling - there's still a lot of time before the election.
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Let's not get too excited about current polling - there's still a lot of time before the election.
A whole lifetime in politics.

Nevertheless, Biden is polling considerably better than Hillary (she struggled to reach 50%).
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I have hope that seeing 4 years of this utter disaster will ensure that anyone who may have been "ahhh what's the difference they're all the same" back in 2016 will feel a tad differently this time around.

That said? There's no celebrating this time till the job is done and.the cancer is removed.

Looking ahead - can you imagine what a Trump transition would look like? Add in the potential for a second wave of COVID hitting around that same time?

Fun times fun times.
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