US Politics XXII: Idk About You, But This Is Thread 22

[womanfish]

I’d much rather we had a female nominee. I was going between Klobuchar and Warren. And let’s not even talk about Bernie’s rape fantasy porn essays.

But here we are. The more I’ve learned about Reade, the less credible she seems to me. What did me in was this tweet:

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Do note the date.

This also doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. But it does start to mean that Reade chose to reveal this not out of a sense of injustice, but as a means of knocking down the candidate who had vanquished hers.

I don't know. Are we sure this isn't a woman that has finally been given the freedom to speak up now that MeToo is 2 and a half years into full swing? Definitely NOT a woman that calculating just the right moment to drop a (IMO) false story... I dunno, maybe a few days after Super Tuesday... Just spit balling here.


And to note, this is not the only tweet with her cute little Tick Tock line.
Another I remember was a response to a tweet where someone was talking about some shakeup with Bernie in the primary, and she replied, It's all about timing... Tick Tock Joe Biden.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Would all of you doubting Reade's accusation against Biden maintain the same perspective on its validity if hypothetically it was Bernie who was the accused?

 

[dazzledbylight]

Also, in response to the Chomsky thing: if your plan to say "Biden is better than Trump" is to cite climate change concerns, the fact that Biden's plan also has us not getting anywhere close to making up enough ground does not help your case. There's a reason his climate grade is an "F." It's because when it comes to something so massive and so perilous, "being better than Trump" is not nearly enough. You need to actually set us up to be able to turn the tide in a decade. His plan falls so painfully short, there is functionally no difference.

There are at least three MAJOR Differences between Biden and Trump in this area.

1) He believes in Science.

2) He'll appoint Smart and Serious people.

3a) He probably can be pushed further in this arena.
3b) Jeez, you can play the empathy and compassion cards for children now, children yet to be born.

With Trump as far as I know so far you've GOT NOTHING, Zip, nada, zilch in this issue to move him on. And practically every god damn day Trump makes it WORSE!

So DON'T tell me there's NO practical difference! .

 

[Vlad n U 2]

There are at least three MAJOR Differences between Biden and Trump in this area.

1) He believes in Science.

2) He'll appoint Smart and Serious people.

3a) He probably can be pushed further in this arena.
3b) Jeez, you can play the empathy and compassion cards for children now, children yet to be born.

With Trump as far as I know so far you've GOT NOTHING, Zip, nada, zilch in this issue to move him on. And practically every god damn day Trump makes it WORSE!

So DON'T tell me there's NO practical difference! .

None of these points are anything more than vague or particularly convincing.

 

[DaveC]

I'm not buying this line of argument at all. Women didn't have a voice before MeToo? Come on. Yes MeToo has helped to change the conversation, and hopefully attitudes moving forward, but women made their voices heard before late 2017.

yes, a number of very brave women spoke up prior to 2017, and for the most part almost nothing happened to any of the men that they spoke up against. as we have seen, not all that much has changed when women speak up against politicians since then either.

"why didn't she speak up sooner" is a very weak card to play.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I'm not buying this line of argument at all. Women didn't have a voice before MeToo? Come on. Yes MeToo has helped to change the conversation, and hopefully attitudes moving forward, but women made their voices heard before late 2017. Hell, Trump had wracked up 18 or so accusers by the end of 2016, a year before MeToo had taken off.



Reade claims that she submitted a report to the Senate office in 1993. One way her voice could have been heard, if a claim was actually made.



She claims the subject of going to the police came up, That was another way her voice could have been heard.



She claims that the subject of going to the press came up, but didn't want to "out of respect" for the Senator in question. (You know, we all have the utmost respect for the person that sexually assaulted us). Sounds again, much more in line with her "feeling uncomfortable" story. yet another way her voice could have been heard.



She did an interview with a paper in 2019 with an early version of the story, about feeling uncomfortable. Her voice was out there.



She claims that she tried to go to other media outlets but was "shut down". AKA. They didn't find her credible and couldn't verify her story. Because ANY media outlet would sell their left leg, and arm to be able to break a story like this. That they didn't, says a lot right there.



She then went on a podcast in late March of 2020 with a whole new story. Her voice was heard. Every news outlet in the country was digging into it, CNN, Times, AP, every one. But none could report the claims in any substantive way, because again. Her story was suspect.



So her voice was heard. Unfortunately, as my lengthy post, and the article I posted yesterday lay out in great detail. Her "voice" has been an inconsistent mess. She made her voice heard on twitter for 2 years with praise and likes for Biden. Then, suddenly as he was entering the race (against her guy Bernie) the first accusations come out. Then when that didn't stick, and Super Tuesday came and went, well... she had to up the ante.



I would never discount anyone's story because the length of time it took for them to come forward. That's pretty standard. But I absolutely would be suspicious if a changing story came out at a particular time that lined up with the accuser's known motives.

Again I’m not picking a side on this in terms of Reade because I don’t see enough information to have my heart settled one way or another, but flat out I find this post to be disgusting.

This goes against everything regarding listening to and believing a victim.

This is an exceptional circumstance given the nature and reasonable doubt associated with her case and with the potential that she has ulterior motives.

That does not change a thing though. This post you’ve provided gross against everything. I don’t even feel I can line by line address the elements of this. You think a 1993 senate office was listening to an accuser. You should be ashamed for that statement, and every subsequent statement where you dare consider questioning the notion of why a theoretical victim does not behave in a way that you deem to be logical, simply because it supports your argument in this very moment. It’s disgusting, it’s like you’ve learned nothing and not listened to any story any victim has told.

And shit, I’m not even saying this particular woman is truthful or not. I refuse to draw a conclusion on such a controversial topic with such iffy and unclear facts. But damn, read your post over again.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Good deflection.....no history of any type of sexual misconduct with Kavanaugh, ...no verifiable or credible evidence , no witnesses to back up Blasey-Ford...just her story . Dems drop Blasey-Ford and her accusations like a rock as soon as Kavanaugh is confirmed. Yet the man and his family were completely crucified by Democrats for political reasons only, with no evidence.



Biden doesn’t even know who he is half the time, and the other half of the time, as we have MULTIPLE pictures and videos of, he groped, fondles and sniffs little kids and women, making them extremely uncomfortable.



The hypocrisy of Democrats is pathetic if it wasn’t so hilarious

If you want to call everyone out for being hypocritical right now I’m all for it, not because the situations are the same but because the defenses absolutely are...

...but save us the creepy joe sniffy sniff sniff “pictures and videos.” Propaganda. He had someone accuse him of this, and that should be listened to, but the notion that he’s just sucking up all the air around “children” is absolutely a right wing fantasy. Y’all need to cut the pedophile shit, we all know that’s not what’s fucking happening here.

 

[DaveC]

Biden doesn’t even know who he is half the time, and the other half of the time, as we have MULTIPLE pictures and videos of, he groped, fondles and sniffs little kids and women, making them extremely uncomfortable.

The hypocrisy of Democrats is pathetic if it wasn’t so hilarious

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Seriously, I don't want to hear a goddamn peep from any Trump supporters* on this topic. Not a single word. You've all already made it abundantly clear how low you were willing to let your bar go on this issue, so you all need to shut up and sit down and let everyone else do the talking on this one.

*Yeah, yeah, I know, we've got one guy here who's an "independent conservative", blah, blah. The above comments still stand.

 

[Irvine511]

Would all of you doubting Reade's accusation against Biden maintain the same perspective on its validity if hypothetically it was Bernie who was the accused?

Yes.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I don't know anyone in here who's just a big Biden Stan. I'm not sure they exist. Most of us preferred other candidates. I stated from early on that I didn't want to see anyone aged 70+ run for president.

 

[BEAL]

What would they have done that would've been so effective? "Oh no Bernie likes dictator", which would subsequently backfire for the GOP for obvious reasons. Much better to deal with that than an assault/corruption allegation.

Who’s to say someone doesn’t come forward against Bernie ? And If they did and was as sketchy as this Biden accusation, I’d be behind Bernie.

 

[mikal]

And this is exactly why my Trump loving friends on Facebook and Twitter are barely posting about this story.

 

[Irvine511]

I do think, despite my wine-fueled posting last night, that the Democrats do have some explaining to do. And the Republicans are very good at spinning things like this.

I think “believe all women” isn’t an intellectually defensible position because certainly some — a tiny, tiny fraction — could lie. I think the “believe” comes in when you’re dealing with individuals in your life who are telling you about their experiences. If a woman (or man) were to tell me about being harassed somewhere, my default approach should be to believe and support and see if there’s anything I can do to help.

I’m this situation I think “listen” is the better word.

If you’re leveling a charge at a presidential candidate, the accuser should be heard and treated with respect and compassion. No one would do this for fun, and it certainly is easier to stay silent than step forward into the spotlight. And then those claims should be investigated, which is all the D’s were asking for with Kavanaugh. It was the R’s who didn’t want that, and rigged the process and left it up to Susan Collins to put an end to their charade.

But due process must still exist, especially on this level. For me, it was the Kavanaugh tantrums that made me deem him unfit, although I believed CBF, who was a model witness. Although one shouldn’t have to be a perfect victim to be believed.

And, yes, we’re this Sanders and an aid accused him of assault back in 1993, I would treat this the same as I am now.

And, yes, I’m a gay man sounding off on this very hetero topic. So take that for what you will.

 

[dazzledbylight]

None of these points are anything more than vague or particularly convincing.

Really, Vlad?!

Even just taking the first point. Biden supporting Science on climate change, let alone, general Ecology, Oceanography, Meteorology, Botany, Zoology, Agriculture etc that climate change will effecting even more doesn't make a difference? Do you not get how four years more of Trump will further devastate these areas of science and more. The more efforts we make now we still might be able to mitigate the worst of climate change.

 

[BEAL]

Do human beings lie ? Are women human? Then believe ALL is poorly worded.

As Irvine said, maybe listen or hear is better suited.

Believe all would make justice easy, but not fair.

 

[mikal]

Really, Vlad?!

Even just taking the first point. Biden supporting Science on climate change, let alone, general Ecology, Oceanography, Meteorology, Botany, Zoology, Agriculture etc that climate change will effecting even more doesn't make a difference? Do you not get how four years more of Trump will further devastate these areas of science and more. The more efforts we make now we still might be able to mitigate the worst of climate change.

What's scary is that there's a big sense of, as John Fugelsang puts it, "What The Fuck Fatigue" where people are so desensitized to how awful Trump is that they no longer understand the full scope of how dangerous this man really is.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_q8eNgDHLH/?igshid=35qcs5z7q3da

 

[mikal]

Seems like the wheels are falling off even more:

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1256630426220855297?s=21

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Ya don't say

 

[mikal]

So if the complaint that no one can find doesn’t involve sexual abuse or harassment, I guess we don’t need those papers anymore.

 

[BEAL]

The whole point behind the Del documents is to find something damaging Biden said about someone, foreign leaders, his own party, etc.

Also, i believe this woman


https://twitter.com/pattisolisdoyle/status/1256592141918384128?s=21

Obama would have never taken such a gamble on Joe, especially since he’s so prone to “gaffes “.

This appears to be the Bernie surrogates trying to take down Joe now, and If they can’t then slander him enough come November.

There’s a reason why this came out in March as Bernie was toast, and not something that was saved for October. Where it would have more damage like Clinton’s FBI probe being “re-opened”. Thanks Comey

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/isaacdovere/status/1256375544490471425?s=21

Nicely put

 

[anitram]

Imagine Trump saying anything close to that ever.

 

[BEAL]

He would have needed to be born to a different father

 

[Irvine511]

Imagine Trump saying anything close to that ever.

https://youtu.be/7PjEGZVjuI0

 

[womanfish]

Would all of you doubting Reade's accusation against Biden maintain the same perspective on its validity if hypothetically it was Bernie who was the accused?

absolutely. In fact, maybe more so. With Biden, it gives me some pause because of his handsiness in the past. With Bernie, I just don't think I could ever believe it. And it still doesn't change the facts of Reade's tissue paper thin, full of gaping holes accusation.

 

[Hewson]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-in-biden-complaint/ar-BB13w8Em?ocid=msedgdhp

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

https://medium.com/@macarthur.cliff...ht-things-the-media-wont-tell-you-27d3ca14978

 

[dazzledbylight]

What's scary is that there's a big sense of, as John Fugelsang puts it, "What The Fuck Fatigue" where people are so desensitized to how awful Trump is that they no longer understand the full scope of how dangerous this man really is.

There are periods of time I sort of throw my hands up. Still my sense of caring, fairness, and looking at both details and the bigger picture etc returns. So I continue to strive to continue to play a role in making things better. Trying to get Trump out of office while not the only thing- is critical.

Luckily having a high amount of visual arts creativity, and a big sense of fun that I share with friends, and family helps to balance dealing with the other stuff.