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Old 05-02-2020, 09:00 AM   #401
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I don't know anyone in here who's just a big Biden Stan. I'm not sure they exist. Most of us preferred other candidates. I stated from early on that I didn't want to see anyone aged 70+ run for president.
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What would they have done that would've been so effective? "Oh no Bernie likes dictator", which would subsequently backfire for the GOP for obvious reasons. Much better to deal with that than an assault/corruption allegation.


Who’s to say someone doesn’t come forward against Bernie ? And If they did and was as sketchy as this Biden accusation, I’d be behind Bernie.
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And this is exactly why my Trump loving friends on Facebook and Twitter are barely posting about this story.
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I do think, despite my wine-fueled posting last night, that the Democrats do have some explaining to do. And the Republicans are very good at spinning things like this.

I think “believe all women” isn’t an intellectually defensible position because certainly some — a tiny, tiny fraction — could lie. I think the “believe” comes in when you’re dealing with individuals in your life who are telling you about their experiences. If a woman (or man) were to tell me about being harassed somewhere, my default approach should be to believe and support and see if there’s anything I can do to help.

I’m this situation I think “listen” is the better word.

If you’re leveling a charge at a presidential candidate, the accuser should be heard and treated with respect and compassion. No one would do this for fun, and it certainly is easier to stay silent than step forward into the spotlight. And then those claims should be investigated, which is all the D’s were asking for with Kavanaugh. It was the R’s who didn’t want that, and rigged the process and left it up to Susan Collins to put an end to their charade.

But due process must still exist, especially on this level. For me, it was the Kavanaugh tantrums that made me deem him unfit, although I believed CBF, who was a model witness. Although one shouldn’t have to be a perfect victim to be believed.

And, yes, we’re this Sanders and an aid accused him of assault back in 1993, I would treat this the same as I am now.

And, yes, I’m a gay man sounding off on this very hetero topic. So take that for what you will.
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None of these points are anything more than vague or particularly convincing.
Really, Vlad?!

Even just taking the first point. Biden supporting Science on climate change, let alone, general Ecology, Oceanography, Meteorology, Botany, Zoology, Agriculture etc that climate change will effecting even more doesn't make a difference? Do you not get how four years more of Trump will further devastate these areas of science and more. The more efforts we make now we still might be able to mitigate the worst of climate change.
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Do human beings lie ? Are women human? Then believe ALL is poorly worded.

As Irvine said, maybe listen or hear is better suited.

Believe all would make justice easy, but not fair.
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Really, Vlad?!

Even just taking the first point. Biden supporting Science on climate change, let alone, general Ecology, Oceanography, Meteorology, Botany, Zoology, Agriculture etc that climate change will effecting even more doesn't make a difference? Do you not get how four years more of Trump will further devastate these areas of science and more. The more efforts we make now we still might be able to mitigate the worst of climate change.
What's scary is that there's a big sense of, as John Fugelsang puts it, "What The Fuck Fatigue" where people are so desensitized to how awful Trump is that they no longer understand the full scope of how dangerous this man really is.
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Seems like the wheels are falling off even more:

https://twitter.com/travisakers/stat...220855297?s=21
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Ya don't say
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So if the complaint that no one can find doesn’t involve sexual abuse or harassment, I guess we don’t need those papers anymore.
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The whole point behind the Del documents is to find something damaging Biden said about someone, foreign leaders, his own party, etc.

Also, i believe this woman


https://twitter.com/pattisolisdoyle/...918384128?s=21

Obama would have never taken such a gamble on Joe, especially since he’s so prone to “gaffes “.

This appears to be the Bernie surrogates trying to take down Joe now, and If they can’t then slander him enough come November.

There’s a reason why this came out in March as Bernie was toast, and not something that was saved for October. Where it would have more damage like Clinton’s FBI probe being “re-opened”. Thanks Comey
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https://twitter.com/isaacdovere/stat...490471425?s=21

Nicely put
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Imagine Trump saying anything close to that ever.
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He would have needed to be born to a different father
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Imagine Trump saying anything close to that ever.


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Would all of you doubting Reade's accusation against Biden maintain the same perspective on its validity if hypothetically it was Bernie who was the accused?
absolutely. In fact, maybe more so. With Biden, it gives me some pause because of his handsiness in the past. With Bernie, I just don't think I could ever believe it. And it still doesn't change the facts of Reade's tissue paper thin, full of gaping holes accusation.
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What's scary is that there's a big sense of, as John Fugelsang puts it, "What The Fuck Fatigue" where people are so desensitized to how awful Trump is that they no longer understand the full scope of how dangerous this man really is.
There are periods of time I sort of throw my hands up. Still my sense of caring, fairness, and looking at both details and the bigger picture etc returns. So I continue to strive to continue to play a role in making things better. Trying to get Trump out of office while not the only thing- is critical.

Luckily having a high amount of visual arts creativity, and a big sense of fun that I share with friends, and family helps to balance dealing with the other stuff.
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