US Politics XXII: Idk About You, But This Is Thread 22

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My only preference is the Clintons stay out of the race. No endorsements, no nothing.
 
womanfish said:
Both Scott Walker appointed judges lost by 20 POINTS.
Biden won WI by 31 points. A state that Bernie won by 10 points in 2016.

This is my whole point to those that are saying "Biden is likely to lose this election". Where is the proof of this from what we have seen so far in 2018 and 2020?

There is a boiling unrest against Trump across the country.
One that keeps presenting itself. And not just that, but it seems that Biden has become the rallying point for this unrest, whether you like him or not.
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The case for Sanders is not that he's going to win committed Democrats. His odds were always going to be much better in the general election, when he can appeal to independents, than it ever was in the Democratic primary.

He lost. I don't dispute that. It's disheartening. People listen to the media more than I thought they would (or maybe just hoped they would). The feeling of inevitably after the party coalesced around Biden ahead of Super Tuesday couldn't be overcome. It is what it is.

Honestly, even had they not taken that step, I feel as though the Democrats simply would not have let Sanders be the nominee in any circumstance. The bombshell leak in the UK about how the Labour Party deliberately tanked to prevent Corbyn's ascendance shows the playbook for the center fighting against the left.

It was worth a shot, but it was always a long shot. We'll need to figure something else out. It will take a long time, and many, many people will suffer as a result. It depresses the shit out of me.
 
I voted for GWB. I loved President Bush. I still respect him. I wrote in Rubio in 2016 and likely will again. Although I am becoming a fan of Nikki Haley.

I did not vote for trump because as a professional leader my whole adult life; I didn’t see the leadership qualities I expect from my CINC. I believe in servant leadership not the great man model. I don’t like his leadership nor communications style. That being said I don’t wish him ill, nor do I hope he fails, I also don’t think he is always wrong, If he is right on a policy I won’t condemn it. Even people we disagree with can have good ideas. That’s why I condemn the rabid left or right for that matter. We don’t have to oppose everything some one does even if we disagree with them 90 percent of the time. I disagree with Sanders on most things. But I respect the fact he is honest and truly believes in his platform. I agree with him on student loan debt and income inequality due to Corp greed and how it will extinguish the middle class. I wouldn’t vote for him, but I can respect him; and won’t condemn all his ideas because I don’t agree with him.

I am not an independent conservative. I am very much a Republican. I see myself as fiscally conservative but I also feel that big corps are just as dangerous as big govt to individual liberty. However I also believe in a social safety net that allows people to take chances and start businesses so that if the fail their family won’t starve . I am socially libertarian but strongly pro life. I believe that life begins at conception. However when it comes to the health and life of the mother that is a family’s decision. I don’t care who you marry; just don’t force a church to perform the ceremony if it goes against thier religious beliefs. I don’t care if you smoke pot and it should be legal——— so that is what I believe just wanted to get it all out.
 
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This helps no one, and is nothing more than a subsidy for insurance companies. And it increases the likelihood that employers outright terminate employees instead of furloughing them.
 
I wanted to add one thing. For me being Pro Life is the most important thing in my politicians. I believe life begins at conception. I believe that life has the same rights as you or me. I also that the mother has a right to life so I agree with the teachings of the church that direct abortion is always wrong. Indirect abortion in the attempt to save the mother is the families decision. I felt I needed to clarify my statement above .

Likewise, in the context of pregnancy, a woman may not be killed in order to save the life of her child, and a child may not be killed in order to save the life of his mother. However, the Church does permit morally neutral medical procedures designed to save a pregnant woman’s life that may have an unintended side-effect of causing a child to die in the womb, such as the removal of a cancerous uterus.

BTW I am also against the death penalty and the targeting of non combatants in war

We may never perform an intrinsically evil act even to bring about a great good. For example, a just society cannot intentionally kill innocent civilians in a war, even for the praiseworthy goal of ending a conflict quickly and saving many lives.
 
Magnus Maximus said:
I wanted to add one thing. For me being Pro Life is the most important thing in my politicians. I believe life begins at conception. I believe that life has the same rights as you or me. I also that the mother has a right to life so I agree with the teachings of the church that direct abortion is always wrong. Indirect abortion in the attempt to save the mother is the families decision. I felt I needed to clarify my statement above .

Likewise, in the context of pregnancy, a woman may not be killed in order to save the life of her child, and a child may not be killed in order to save the life of his mother. However, the Church does permit morally neutral medical procedures designed to save a pregnant woman’s life that may have an unintended side-effect of causing a child to die in the womb, such as the removal of a cancerous uterus.

BTW I am also against the death penalty and the targeting of non combatants in war

We may never perform an intrinsically evil act even to bring about a great good. For example, a just society cannot intentionally kill innocent civilians in a war, even for the praiseworthy goal of ending a conflict quickly and saving many lives.
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I don't like to get into this topic much. But if people were truly "pro-life" IMO they are MUCH better off supporting Democrats.

The problem with "pro-life" people (and yes, I'm using those quotation marks as heavily and sarcastically as I can) is that the only solution it seems to get to fewer abortions, is to change human behavior. And I have a HUGE secret to tell you. You can't control human behavior.
The only real way to decrease abortion rates is to provide free, accessible and non-demonized birth control. End of story.
Places that have been pro-active in this area see huge drops. In fact, I think Colorado saw a 65% decrease in unwanted pregnancies after instituting aggressive birth control programs.

And I also couldn't be a part of a party that claims to be "pro-life", but have little to no compassion or care for people in poverty, or for refugees. Who seem thrilled to destroy the environment for profit - which kills tens of thousands a year in our country, to keep affordable, sensible, life saving healthcare out of the hands of millions - which kills tens of thousands a year in our country. It's disgusting, and so beyond hypocritical, that hypocritical is far too weak of a word to use.
 
Jerry Dunk said:
The bombshell leak in the UK about how the Labour Party deliberately tanked to prevent Corbyn's ascendance shows the playbook for the center fighting against the left.
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Have you read the whole thing? It was complete and utter madness, but at the same time wholly unsurprising. I think there may be more to come.
 
Vlad n U 2 said:
Have you read the whole thing? It was complete and utter madness, but at the same time wholly unsurprising. I think there may be more to come.
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I have not gotten through it all, but I have read most of it. It's truly remarkable. It's simultaneously frightening that it can be done so blatantly and without consequence, and emboldening to be proven right, that what we suspected had been happening was indeed happening.
 
I prefer the earlier U1 when they were more experimental and weren’t so obsessed about being relevant with milennials.
 
DaveC said:
it's true, you returned it to us and then as a reward we gave you a nickelback.
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Magnus Maximus said:
I wanted to add one thing. For me being Pro Life is the most important thing in my politicians. I believe life begins at conception. I believe that life has the same rights as you or me. I also that the mother has a right to life so I agree with the teachings of the church that direct abortion is always wrong. Indirect abortion in the attempt to save the mother is the families decision. I felt I needed to clarify my statement above .

Likewise, in the context of pregnancy, a woman may not be killed in order to save the life of her child, and a child may not be killed in order to save the life of his mother. However, the Church does permit morally neutral medical procedures designed to save a pregnant woman’s life that may have an unintended side-effect of causing a child to die in the womb, such as the removal of a cancerous uterus.

BTW I am also against the death penalty and the targeting of non combatants in war

We may never perform an intrinsically evil act even to bring about a great good. For example, a just society cannot intentionally kill innocent civilians in a war, even for the praiseworthy goal of ending a conflict quickly and saving many lives.
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Thank you for shackling a women's right to live her life without one of the MOST IMPORTANT Decisions related to her Freedom to be HER CHOICE!!!
:gah: :|:|:|
 
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Now on to what I came here to post about.....
I lost a long post just before the previous thread closed so I'm going back to it (since it is an ongoing issue so far)

Jerry Dunk
Back in the '80 (in my early '30's) I began to hear that America's dirty secret was about class-ism. "Besides" slavery and Indigenous Nations genocide which I'd already been studying about on my own post college.

You say that the Dems are anti-labor - some are not progressive as I and you would like but otherwise - that's a blanket statement.

Before I give you one of several examples I will add that a couple who created a special one year event in collaboration with UN - that many people around the world (the event involved many countries outside of Europe) are better at holding conflicting ideas in their minds. This is very important for my first example.

FDR was a great President. He would have been an even greater president had he not been a racist and anti-Semitic. .

Acknowledging that, if you have never read FDR's Second Economic Bill of Rights you (and everyone here) should check it out. I found out about from Thom Hartman's radio show. It's somewhat close to democratic socialism.
It never made it through because FDR died before he could fight for it in Congress.

And it turns out that Single Player Health Care was introduced in '47 or '49 by Truman, '61 by JFK, and LBJ. :ohmy:
A bunch of Democrats were against it, and however many Republicans because it would give black people "free" healtcare. :angry:

I don't know IF you don't get, or don't care enough that a Women's Right to Choose is (as I posted above) one of the key factors in her degree of freedom in her life.

That protection for LGBTQI people, for disabled people, minority religions ( and secular humanists if drumph or some else pushes the country more towards theocracy :sad: ), and maybe some other groups of people I can't think of right now is as important, as pro-choice, as class issues then imo you are not a true progressive.
 
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