US Politics XXII: Idk About You, But This Is Thread 22

[anitram]

I’m definitely not concerned that having political experience can be a liability.

I’m concerned that not having any experience is considered valid. I’m definitely in favor of the Reagans and whatever, who came from the outside world doing something else, and did their time at another level.

I don’t think having a system where every candidate comes fresh out of college and on the campaign trail as a staffer until they eventually get elected to public office is a healthy system *at all*. It’s why politicians aren’t relatable, *at all*.

It's already a liability in the sense that people don't want to spend too much time in office before running. We don't know that Obama would have been as shiny and new if he hadn't pulled the lever and ran for President 5 mins after he became a Senator.

It's why somebody like Kamala Harris would never accept the AG role in a Democratic administration if she had any intention to run for President again. The baggage that comes with that role, no matter who sits in it and no matter which party, is just way too large to overcome.

I personally don't like career politicians because I don't think they understand how things run for most people. But there is a huge spectrum between somebody who has been involved since they graduated from college and somebody like Trump who knows nothing about anything.

 

[womanfish]

The same thing happened to Warren. Had she stuck with slogans versus detail, who knows ? Tho the media basically erased her from November 19 till she dropped.

Imagine having her as the nominee right now. I’m not thrilled about her age but she’s shown to be overly competent. Witty, emphatic, and would be the exact person we want handing this fucking mess.

I have confidence Joe can delegate.

Very good example. She tried to provide detail to her plans. And what did she get for it? A one way ticket out of contention. She would have made an incredible president.

 

[womanfish]

Morning Joe in 2016 Trump interview as multiple allegations of sexual assault were swirling around him, on top of several prior sexual assault cases that happened prior to 2016.

https://nypost.com/2016/02/23/trump-asked-morning-joe-hosts-for-softball-questions-on-hot-mic/

 

[mikal]

Well all I can say about the Morning Joe interview, is that IMO, it was a disgraceful.

Mika put on her serious face and instead of actually listening to the answers she got, kept asking the same questions over and over, in essence, making it seem as though the question was not answered just seconds earlier.

This my friends is why we are where we are in politics in general.

Being good, is punished. Being transparent is punished. So what do we get? We get a president who is a deeply bad person. We get a president who offers zero transparency. And how is he treated on Morning Joe and other media? Well, he doesn't go on to these shows to even answer questions. He just makes statements at rallies and on Fox News about how horrible anyone is that would question him or accuse him of anything. He says they are scum and that he will sue them. He releases nothing, he doesn't offer explanation, he doesn't offer records to be opened up.
And what does the media do? They move on. They say, oh well. That's "concerning" and they do nothing.

The more transparent Clinton was, the more the media demanded yet more transparency of things. It has led to one side that tries to do the right thing being smeared and hounded with no answer being enough. And one side realizing that if they just do horrible things and don't talk about it, then they win.

And the one thing that Biden didn't say, that he absolutely should have said, is that this notion that Biden and other Democrats with CBF, just said, You have to believe her. Is complete bullshit.
THEY were the ones calling for a complete and thorough FBI investigation with questioning of as many witnesses as possible to get to the truth! This is the exactly what Biden is doing now. Begin with believing the person coming forward, and then investigate it and find out the truth. Republicans were the ones calling for no investigation, and putting ridiculous limits on it.

But again, Mika this morning conveniently seems to put aside those obvious facts because the narrative of Democrats being hypocritical is SO much more juicy.

Biden was straight-forward, didn't waver, refuses to say one bad word about Reade, and has called for his Senate office records to be released. This is the exact thing he should do, and the exact opposite of Trump. Yet guess who is hurt more.

Remember the rape allegation a year or two ago against Trump? You know the third rape accusation that was made public? I think it made the news for about a day. No questions asked, no investigation done. Just a regular Tuesday for the media and their actions with Trump.

The worst part about it is that Joe Biden looked genuinely confused...and for good reason. She was asking incredibly repetitive questions that he already answered. And I'm already seeing people saying that she left him speechless.

I hate politics sometimes (all the time).

 

[LuckyNumber7]

The more I play with this senate what-if thing, the more apparent it is that in most likely scenarios, such as the following:



The more apparent it is that the worst kind of person, Susan Collins, is one of the most powerful people in America.

And there’s no amount of money that can be thrown at that race that will make it change sides. It’s in the hands of the people of Maine to rid us of her.

One can argue the same can be said for Tillis in NC, but he’s not the kind of person who intentionally tiptoes the line to maintain a mirage.

Down with Susan Collins.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1255976856077156353





by 5 pm biden's delaware papers will be where you can find out about tara reade, burisma and the kennedy assassination

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1256279743214821376?s=19


But his notes!

 

[anitram]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1256279743214821376?s=19


But his notes!

Wonderful.

Where are Trump's tax returns? I guess the IRS audits routinely last a decade+?

 

[Jerry Dunk]

Hillary Clinton is the one who let Trump off the hook for his history of sexual assault and rape. She didn't want to open up criticism of her for how she handled Bill Clinton's accusers. It has relegated all of that to being dismissed as "asked and answered." Which is appalling, but it is the reality.

It is very frustrating that the focus of this has successfully been pushed off to whether or not these papers get released. There is already plenty of credible evidence out there already that is now being thrown out because they want the focus on these papers.

Also, in response to the Chomsky thing: if your plan to say "Biden is better than Trump" is to cite climate change concerns, the fact that Biden's plan also has us not getting anywhere close to making up enough ground does not help your case. There's a reason his climate grade is an "F." It's because when it comes to something so massive and so perilous, "being better than Trump" is not nearly enough. You need to actually set us up to be able to turn the tide in a decade. His plan falls so painfully short, there is functionally no difference.

 

[womanfish]

Watching MSNBC, the banner at the bottom:
BIDEN DENIES SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS BUT REFUSES TO RELEASE U. OF DELAWARE FILES

Here we fucking go again.

 

[Irvine511]

But his tax returns!

 

[LemonMelon]

I was assured that this accusation was a non-story that had no bearing on his electability.

 

[anitram]

I was assured that this accusation was a non-story that had no bearing on his electability.

Plenty of us said all along that he's a terrible candidate.

Though to be fair, I came to that conclusion entirely independently of this accusation.

On the other hand the Republicans are shameless. If it had been my pick (Warren) we'd be hearing nothing but Pocahontas. Though at least that is old news compared to this Biden claim.

 

[Irvine511]

I was assured that this accusation was a non-story that had no bearing on his electability.

Were you? Because Ms Reade waited 27 years to make this accusation until March of 2020 when it became clear that Biden was the heavy favorite to be the Dem nominee. I wasn’t aware of this as South Carolina was voting, and certainly the Obama team of 2008 weren’t aware of this.

In fairness, Ma Reade hinted on Twitter that she was sitting on something and waiting until the timing was right, so perhaps we should have seen this coming?

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Were you? Because Ms Reade waited 27 years to make this accusation until March of 2020 when it became clear that Biden was the heavy favorite to be the Dem nominee. I wasn’t aware of this as South Carolina was voting, and certainly the Obama team of 2008 weren’t aware of this.

In fairness, Ma Reade hinted on Twitter that she was sitting on something and waiting until the timing was right, so perhaps we should have seen this coming?

I’m not crediting or discrediting the accuser here. But suppose she’s telling the truth. In 2008 and 2012 there was no “me too” movement. An accuser had no voice. Don’t you think that, if you were a victim and you thought you had no voice, and that you learned that you could have a voice, you’d want to make that happen if you could?

The timing makes sense for both a liar and a victim. I think it’s wrong to ever say “you waited this long? Not valid.” How many times have we proven time and time again that victims don’t come forward?

 

[mikal]

Reade's timing wasn't all that great though. If she really wanted to damage Biden, she should have waited until the Covid stuff died down and pulled this in October. Her story doesn't have substance to it and it will become clear that she has holes in her story. If anything, this could damage Trump because Sexual Assault is not an area that his campaign wants in the spotlight either. If I were running the Biden campaign, I would have all 20+ of Trump's accusers ready to get loud and take the spotlight and fight fire with fire.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Reade's timing wasn't all that great though. If she really wanted to damage Biden, she should have waited until the Covid stuff died down and pulled this in October. Her story doesn't have substance to it and it will become clear that she has holes in her story. If anything, this could damage Trump because Sexual Assault is not an area that his campaign wants in the spotlight either. If I were running the Biden campaign, I would have all 20+ of Trump's accusers ready to get loud and take the spotlight and fight fire with fire.

I dunno. In a world where it’s “they’re both sexual abusers,” Trump wins. That’s a world where “they’re both basically the same.” That is how he was justified in the first place.

 

[mikal]

I dunno. In a world where it’s “they’re both sexual abusers,” Trump wins. That’s a world where “they’re both basically the same.” That is how he was justified in the first place.

At first I thought you meant Trump wins because he has more accusers, lol.

 

[BEAL]

It doesn’t matter who the nominee is.

Biden has already gone thru Burisma. If this accusation passes, it’ll be something else.

Warren would have been Pocahontas or that she used to be a registered republican or she’s a 70 year old women who may be too fragile or too emotional for the job.

Bernie....fuck the GOP would have torn him to shreds. He couldn’t weather the Cuba storm

Harris, well she’s a mean prosecutor....and probably part of the black panthers. Maybe not a US citizen either ?

Biden did the right thing. He’s asking for the senate to produce the complaint. There isn’t one. Wouldn’t Tara have kept records ?

Instead we’re going after some mysterious papers that also prove nothing but leave enough vagueness that can be spun any direction. Maybe Obama destroyed all the records ?

If there is actual evidence, let it come forward. I believe if Biden did go further than his touchy personality, he would have apologized immediately. Why set yourself up with the lie ?

Unfortunately the truth and facts don’t matter anymore in politics. Everything can be a conspiracy. Actually the truth could matter again if we didn’t have a TMZ style news media. Ratings!!! Joe didn’t do it ?? What the hell are we going to talk about ? We need confrontation!!

In other news, Kim jong Un apparently is Alive. Reports are he’s been shacked up with around 2000 women! Boys been busy!

 

[Irvine511]

I’m not crediting or discrediting the accuser here. But suppose she’s telling the truth. In 2008 and 2012 there was no “me too” movement. An accuser had no voice. Don’t you think that, if you were a victim and you thought you had no voice, and that you learned that you could have a voice, you’d want to make that happen if you could?

The timing makes sense for both a liar and a victim. I think it’s wrong to ever say “you waited this long? Not valid.” How many times have we proven time and time again that victims don’t come forward?

Did you see her tweet?

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Bernie....fuck the GOP would have torn him to shreds. He couldn’t weather the Cuba storm

What would they have done that would've been so effective? "Oh no Bernie likes dictator", which would subsequently backfire for the GOP for obvious reasons. Much better to deal with that than an assault/corruption allegation.

 

[womanfish]

I’m not crediting or discrediting the accuser here. But suppose she’s telling the truth. In 2008 and 2012 there was no “me too” movement. An accuser had no voice. Don’t you think that, if you were a victim and you thought you had no voice, and that you learned that you could have a voice, you’d want to make that happen if you could?

The timing makes sense for both a liar and a victim. I think it’s wrong to ever say “you waited this long? Not valid.” How many times have we proven time and time again that victims don’t come forward?

I'm not buying this line of argument at all. Women didn't have a voice before MeToo? Come on. Yes MeToo has helped to change the conversation, and hopefully attitudes moving forward, but women made their voices heard before late 2017. Hell, Trump had wracked up 18 or so accusers by the end of 2016, a year before MeToo had taken off.

Reade claims that she submitted a report to the Senate office in 1993. One way her voice could have been heard, if a claim was actually made.

She claims the subject of going to the police came up, That was another way her voice could have been heard.

She claims that the subject of going to the press came up, but didn't want to "out of respect" for the Senator in question. (You know, we all have the utmost respect for the person that sexually assaulted us). Sounds again, much more in line with her "feeling uncomfortable" story. yet another way her voice could have been heard.

She did an interview with a paper in 2019 with an early version of the story, about feeling uncomfortable. Her voice was out there.

She claims that she tried to go to other media outlets but was "shut down". AKA. They didn't find her credible and couldn't verify her story. Because ANY media outlet would sell their left leg, and arm to be able to break a story like this. That they didn't, says a lot right there.

She then went on a podcast in late March of 2020 with a whole new story. Her voice was heard. Every news outlet in the country was digging into it, CNN, Times, AP, every one. But none could report the claims in any substantive way, because again. Her story was suspect.

So her voice was heard. Unfortunately, as my lengthy post, and the article I posted yesterday lay out in great detail. Her "voice" has been an inconsistent mess. She made her voice heard on twitter for 2 years with praise and likes for Biden. Then, suddenly as he was entering the race (against her guy Bernie) the first accusations come out. Then when that didn't stick, and Super Tuesday came and went, well... she had to up the ante.

I would never discount anyone's story because the length of time it took for them to come forward. That's pretty standard. But I absolutely would be suspicious if a changing story came out at a particular time that lined up with the accuser's known motives.

 

[Gzusfrk]

I'm not buying this line of argument at all. Women didn't have a voice before MeToo? Come on. Yes MeToo has helped to change the conversation, and hopefully attitudes moving forward, but women made their voices heard before late 2017. Hell, Trump had wracked up 18 or so accusers by the end of 2016, a year before MeToo had taken off.

Reade claims that she submitted a report to the Senate office in 1993. One way her voice could have been heard, if a claim was actually made.

She claims the subject of going to the police came up, That was another way her voice could have been heard.

She claims that the subject of going to the press came up, but didn't want to "out of respect" for the Senator in question. (You know, we all have the utmost respect for the person that sexually assaulted us). Sounds again, much more in line with her "feeling uncomfortable" story. yet another way her voice could have been heard.

She did an interview with a paper in 2019 with an early version of the story, about feeling uncomfortable. Her voice was out there.

She claims that she tried to go to other media outlets but was "shut down". AKA. They didn't find her credible and couldn't verify her story. Because ANY media outlet would sell their left leg, and arm to be able to break a story like this. That they didn't, says a lot right there.

She then went on a podcast in late March of 2020 with a whole new story. Her voice was heard. Every news outlet in the country was digging into it, CNN, Times, AP, every one. But none could report the claims in any substantive way, because again. Her story was suspect.

So her voice was heard. Unfortunately, as my lengthy post, and the article I posted yesterday lay out in great detail. Her "voice" has been an inconsistent mess. She made her voice heard on twitter for 2 years with praise and likes for Biden. Then, suddenly as he was entering the race (against her guy Bernie) the first accusations come out. Then when that didn't stick, and Super Tuesday came and went, well... she had to up the ante.

I would never discount anyone's story because the length of time it took for them to come forward. That's pretty standard. But I absolutely would be suspicious if a changing story came out at a particular time that lined up with the accuser's known motives.

Oh the irony. Brett Kavanaugh would really be smiling while reading your posts the last two days

 

[Irvine511]

Oh the irony. Brett Kavanaugh would really be smiling while reading your posts the last two days

We can all agree that Joe Biden has handled this much, much better than Kavanaugh.

No screaming or crying or praise of beer. Lots and lots of beer. Do you like beer Sen Klobuchar? No? Your father was an abusive alcoholic? Oh. Sorry.

He likes beer. And rage. Lots of teary rage.

The differences between these accusations has been made. Let’s talk about Trump and the 30 women’s he’s going to sue.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Oh the irony. Brett Kavanaugh would really be smiling while reading your posts the last two days

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Plenty of us said all along that he's a terrible candidate.



Though to be fair, I came to that conclusion entirely independently of this accusation.



On the other hand the Republicans are shameless. If it had been my pick (Warren) we'd be hearing nothing but Pocahontas. Though at least that is old news compared to this Biden claim.

This is not the republicans.

This is rose emoji Twitter scorched earth.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

We can all agree that Joe Biden has handled this much, much better than Kavanaugh.

No screaming or crying or praise of beer. Lots and lots of beer. Do you like beer Sen Klobuchar? No? Your father was an abusive alcoholic? Oh. Sorry.

He likes beer. And rage. Lots of teary rage.

The differences between these accusations has been made. Let’s talk about Trump and the 30 women’s he’s going to sue.

Yea but did you see when Joe Biden broke out his calendars?

 

[Irvine511]

I’d much rather we had a female nominee. I was going between Klobuchar and Warren. And let’s not even talk about Bernie’s rape fantasy porn essays.

But here we are. The more I’ve learned about Reade, the less credible she seems to me. What did me in was this tweet:



Do note the date.

This also doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. But it does start to mean that Reade chose to reveal this not out of a sense of injustice, but as a means of knocking down the candidate who had vanquished hers.

 

[Gzusfrk]

We can all agree that Joe Biden has handled this much, much better than Kavanaugh.

No screaming or crying or praise of beer. Lots and lots of beer. Do you like beer Sen Klobuchar? No? Your father was an abusive alcoholic? Oh. Sorry.

He likes beer. And rage. Lots of teary rage.

The differences between these accusations has been made. Let’s talk about Trump and the 30 women’s he’s going to sue.

Good deflection.....no history of any type of sexual misconduct with Kavanaugh, ...no verifiable or credible evidence , no witnesses to back up Blasey-Ford...just her story . Dems drop Blasey-Ford and her accusations like a rock as soon as Kavanaugh is confirmed. Yet the man and his family were completely crucified by Democrats for political reasons only, with no evidence.

Biden doesn’t even know who he is half the time, and the other half of the time, as we have MULTIPLE pictures and videos of, he groped, fondles and sniffs little kids and women, making them extremely uncomfortable.

The hypocrisy of Democrats is pathetic if it wasn’t so hilarious

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Good deflection.....no history of any type of sexual misconduct with Kavanaugh, ...no verifiable or credible evidence , no witnesses to back up Blasey-Ford...just her story . Dems drop Blasey-Ford and her accusations like a rock as soon as Kavanaugh is confirmed. Yet the man and his family were completely crucified by Democrats for political reasons only, with no evidence.



Biden doesn’t even know who he is half the time, and the other half of the time, as we have MULTIPLE pictures and videos of, he groped, fondles and sniffs little kids and women, making them extremely uncomfortable.



The hypocrisy of Democrats is pathetic if it wasn’t so hilarious

 

[Irvine511]

Good deflection.....no history of any type of sexual misconduct with Kavanaugh, ...no verifiable or credible evidence , no witnesses to back up Blasey-Ford...just her story . Dems drop Blasey-Ford and her accusations like a rock as soon as Kavanaugh is confirmed. Yet the man and his family were completely crucified by Democrats for political reasons only, with no evidence.



Biden doesn’t even know who he is half the time, and the other half of the time, as we have MULTIPLE pictures and videos of, he groped, fondles and sniffs little kids and women, making them extremely uncomfortable.



The hypocrisy of Democrats is pathetic if it wasn’t so hilarious

Talk about deflection. Let’s talk about how Joe is senile while Trump tells us to inject bleach.

The difference is that the second Kavanaugh was put in play for SCOTUS, Blasey-Ford stepped forward. Read has apparently been sitting on this through a quarter century of public life and an 8 year stint as VP.

But this isn’t about SCOUTS. This is about POTUS.

It’s 30+ to 1 in Trump’s favor, when it comes to these sorts of things. And Trump nominated Kavanaugh.

You sure you want to continue this? If you’re such a Kavanaugh stan you should be rushing to Biden’s defense.