DaveC
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lol fair point.
US Politics XXI: Old Man 3-Way
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lol fair point.
dazzledbylight
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Nicely observed.
Well, Trump's gov't is inefficient right now on Covid19 (plus all their other terrible things)!
Otoh, people ate generally positive about Medicare and that's gov't run.
This.
I was getting this as a nascent thought just s0before I saw your post.
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LuckyNumber7
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Hewson
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Unfortunately I think this one was debunked as being a fake last week when the market had its first of several 1,000+ point losses.
He's an idiot but the person who perpetrated this fraud took it too far with "Joans", he's not really that stupid.
Right.
People wanting to know if this thing is going to bankrupt us before implementing it with real numbers seems like an important step.
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LuckyNumber7
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womanfish
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Yeah, I think there's a big difference between saying he would sign M4A without any context, and making it sound like he would just veto it outright.
This of course is already being jumped on by the media saying that Biden said "he would veto Medicare for All, if he were president".
I think Biden was trying to get across that if there was a bill that got through the houses, he still would have to weigh the cost/benefit of it, and how it effected the rest of the budget for everything else. Not so easy to just say, sure, we'll double the federal budget, no problem.
But a better answer from Biden would have been, If it was an M4A plan that where the numbers made sense and it was an overall cost benefit to middle and working class people, I would sign it. Full stop.
He has to do better on answers like this. Getting into the weeds and trying to hash out hypotheticals is never a winning answer.
This of course is already being jumped on by the media saying that Biden said "he would veto Medicare for All, if he were president".
I think Biden was trying to get across that if there was a bill that got through the houses, he still would have to weigh the cost/benefit of it, and how it effected the rest of the budget for everything else. Not so easy to just say, sure, we'll double the federal budget, no problem.
But a better answer from Biden would have been, If it was an M4A plan that where the numbers made sense and it was an overall cost benefit to middle and working class people, I would sign it. Full stop.
He has to do better on answers like this. Getting into the weeds and trying to hash out hypotheticals is never a winning answer.
womanfish
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Ok. Place your mini super Tuesday bets...
Washington - Biden by 2 points
Idaho - Sanders by 1 point
North Dakotoa - Biden by 4 points
Michigan - Biden by 12
Missouri - Biden by 26
Mississippi- Biden by 57
Washington - Biden by 2 points
Idaho - Sanders by 1 point
North Dakotoa - Biden by 4 points
Michigan - Biden by 12
Missouri - Biden by 26
Mississippi- Biden by 57
MrsSpringsteen
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He's not? Want to place a bet on that?
I'm disappointed that's fake. It's still funny though, kudos to the person who made it. The scary thing to me is that I could see that as a legit tweet from him.
deep
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That one did make me laugh out loud.
If the creator had toned it down a little I am sure no one would have questioned it.
Tweets, memes are pretty-much worthless.
Bloomberg thought he could become president paying 'influencers" to tweet and post about him. Not to mention the hundreds of millions he spent on TV ads, print and billboards, etc.
Biden spent next to nothing in many Super Tuesday states and still won easily.
What this should illustrate is that voters know enough about the candidates do decide for themselves ,and really are easily influenced. Unless your isolated on some islands in the ocean.
deep
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He's not? Want to place a bet on that?
I'm disappointed that's fake. It's still funny though, kudos to the person who made it. The scary thing to me is that I could see that as a legit tweet from him.
I recall many W detractors ready to believe any negative thing about W ( I may have been in that group sometimes)
I also recall many Obama detractors ready to believe any negative thing about Obama
so, I am not surprised many will believe any negative thing about Trump, even members of the media and press get ahead of themselves
because I lived in a CA until 2019 and I now live in UT, I know my vote will not be a swing vote, I don't get overly worked up about these elections anymore.
so much of the 'information' people are consuming these days is far from objective. All people seem to want is their own bias confirmed.
btw, I enjoyed your response, made me lol, too.
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dazzledbylight
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Didn't have time to mention that I'm also all for Bloomberg going after Trump's kids and Jared, esp if the Repugs go after Hunter. 
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Not for nothing, if Bloomberg had been more prepared for obvious questions and didn't let Liz Warren disembowel him on national TV? It might have worked.
The shift to Biden only occured after Bloomberg shit the bed.
Moonlit_Angel
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Yep. This is something many people have to keep in mind as well. Whomever follows Trump will have a LOT of mess to clean up before they can even begin tackling their own plans.
I'd also point out that just because Biden may not sound very bold with his comments thus far, that doesn't mean things can't change once he's actually in office. Remember Obama's comments about same-sex marriage pre-2008? Yet look what became legal nationwide under his administration. And remember how supportive he was of transgender people during the whole "bathroom bill" debate as well?
Conversely, Bernie could have all these great plans that he wants to carry out once in office, and he may well try his hardest to get them passed...but he may not wind up being as bold as people hope, either, for a whole host of possible reasons. You can't always predict how a candidate will be in office just based off of what they say on the campaign trail.
And as we've discussed many times before, they alone can't carry out their plans. Should Biden or Bernie become president, if they pick and support great federal and Supreme Court judges who can overturn shitty rulings and support good ones, and if we're lucky enough to get a blue Congress, and we get the public at large continuing to push and march for things like stronger gun control and affordable healthcare and college and things like that, then all of that will go a long way towards making a lot of these plans a reality as well.
Bloomberg spent the money because he didn’t want Bernie to be the nominee. He didn’t even enter the race until that became a real possibility.
Last fall it looked like Biden was a losing bet.
Bloomberg got in, spent the $ and got the outcome he wanted.
MrsSpringsteen
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I just read that Harvey Weinstein asked Bloomberg for help. I hope he didn't get any.
deep
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No live audience at democratic debate Sunday night in Arizona.
womanfish
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Just looking at the exit polls so far. I would say that Michigan will be a bit closer than the polls indicated. And I think Missouri will be close to that 25-30% advantage to Biden. But we shall see.
Also, looks like 18-29 are voting somewhere between 8 and 12%
Oh and...
Michigan not expected to report primary results until Wednesday afternoon
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Also, looks like 18-29 are voting somewhere between 8 and 12%
Oh and...
Michigan not expected to report primary results until Wednesday afternoon
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Paging Rich Uncle Mike Who Don't Give a Fuck...
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...6cdb4c5b605572809f789?ri18n=true&guccounter=1
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...6cdb4c5b605572809f789?ri18n=true&guccounter=1
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LuckyNumber7
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60+ people are probably disproportionately for Biden and are probably staying home from coronavirus.
Go gettem gen x!
DaveC
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https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1237352164403617792
you can be the mayor of a major city and still have your vote suppressed if you're black in america.
you can be the mayor of a major city and still have your vote suppressed if you're black in america.
womanfish
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Fuck. Are those human females? OMG.
womanfish
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Mississippi called for Biden - Yeah i know, shocker
womanfish
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LOL. We matter again!
phanan
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For about three seconds CNN had a technical glitch and showed Sanders won MS. Too funny.
womanfish
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What is known about Michigan so far.
NATE SILVER8:16 PM
Biden also up 10 points so far with a decent number of votes counted in Macomb County, per Decision Desk, which went for Clinton by just a little over 1 point last time.
Decision Desk HQ is up to 30,000 votes in Michigan, all from Oakland County, and Biden leads 54-43 there. That was a county that Clinton won by 5 points in 2016.
So looks like its gonna be closer to a 10 point Biden win, more than a 22 point win that the polls were saying.
NATE SILVER8:16 PM
Biden also up 10 points so far with a decent number of votes counted in Macomb County, per Decision Desk, which went for Clinton by just a little over 1 point last time.
Decision Desk HQ is up to 30,000 votes in Michigan, all from Oakland County, and Biden leads 54-43 there. That was a county that Clinton won by 5 points in 2016.
So looks like its gonna be closer to a 10 point Biden win, more than a 22 point win that the polls were saying.
womanfish
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Missouri called for Biden
womanfish
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Michigan for Biden - early call...
So far a 20 point swing with white, no college voters from 2016
So far a 20 point swing with white, no college voters from 2016
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