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Old 03-17-2020, 04:50 PM   #441
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Ok whatever dude, you can plug your ears and ignore the cold cut and dry fact that legitimately everyone else’s public health infrastructure is holding up better than ours in this global health crisis, and legitimately almost everyone else in the fucking western world has some form of nationalized healthcare.
I'm not saying that. I'm not even against nationalized medicine. I don't even know what we're arguing over other than that there would still be issues regardless and national health care wouldn't be this magical unicorn saving is all when our nation is still run by idiots.

Everyone's having issues. Maybe our issues would be slightly lessened by nationalized health care. Maybe the smaller size of these other nations has a bit to do with it and well.
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I'm not saying that. I'm not even against nationalized medicine. I don't even know what we're arguing over other than that there would still be issues regardless and national health care wouldn't be this magical unicorn saving is all when our nation is still run by idiots.

Everyone's having issues. Maybe our issues would be slightly lessened by nationalized health care. Maybe the smaller size of these other nations has a bit to do with it and well.


Of course everyone is in trouble right now. It’s not like Italy deserves a medal for their outstanding response. But, we are definitely near or in last place for the western world response.

Anyways, the original point we were discussing was whether or not it changes the minds of voters. And I think a key component you’re missing here is that you’re trying way too hard to rationalize what the difference is between the systems. So far as I’d guess, more people in Europe will be against their nationalized healthcare systems and more people in the US will be against their private healthcare system, if only because nobody’s is looking good right now and that’s a natural emotional response.

Will it translate into votes? Oh I doubt it will, at least not enough to change the race. But is it a viable path? Certainly. More realistic than trying to win on superdelegates.
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You know him better than that, come on now.
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just because you're stuck at home with your kids, that doesn't mean you need to match their maturity level.
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Of course everyone is in trouble right now. It’s not like Italy deserves a medal for their outstanding response. But, we are definitely near or in last place for the western world response.

Anyways, the original point we were discussing was whether or not it changes the minds of voters. And I think a key component you’re missing here is that you’re trying way too hard to rationalize what the difference is between the systems. So far as I’d guess, more people in Europe will be against their nationalized healthcare systems and more people in the US will be against their private healthcare system, if only because nobody’s is looking good right now and that’s a natural emotional response.

Will it translate into votes? Oh I doubt it will, at least not enough to change the race. But is it a viable path? Certainly. More realistic than trying to win on superdelegates.
Fair enough. I just don't see that it's viable. I see people looking at a situation here where we were in the shit no matter what, and seeing a president who is lying, hiding vital information, and slow to react in the interest of his political future. To me that plays more into the "let's pick the guy who we think can beat Trump cause he's an incompetent asshole" crowd.
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His comment certainly didn't warrant that response.
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His comment certainly didn't warrant that response.
I've placed him on ignore. Apologies.
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I honestly don't see this as a healthcare issue at this point. All systems will be at capacity, all countries will face shortages of swabs and means to test everyone. More people will die in the developing world where the # of ICU beds and specialized staff are in short supply, yes.

It's an issue of the response at the top levels of government and a clear example of a total and abject lack of leadership in some places.

If you had private healthcare but literally almost anyone else in office - be it Hillary, or Mittens, or Obama, or even GWB, the US response would not be this pathetic.
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I honestly don't see this as a healthcare issue at this point. All systems will be at capacity, all countries will face shortages of swabs and means to test everyone. More people will die in the developing world where the # of ICU beds and specialized staff are in short supply, yes.

It's an issue of the response at the top levels of government and a clear example of a total and abject lack of leadership in some places.

If you had private healthcare but literally almost anyone else in office - be it Hillary, or Mittens, or Obama, or even GWB, the US response would not be this pathetic.
This is the only thing I was saying.
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Will this be the event that finally kills Trickledown Economics ??!!?

We are bailing out companies again because they used their tax cuts to buy their own stocks and now we’re fucked again.

Reports are saying we may need social distancing for the next year. What businesses can sustain that ?
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Not to keep it alive, but yea - we're all under a wee bit of stress right now and I snapped earlier unnecessarily. My bad on that one. Woosah
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Biden 912 delegates

Sanders 712 delegates
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Not to keep it alive, but yea - we're all under a wee bit of stress right now and I snapped earlier unnecessarily. My bad on that one. Woosah
it's a stressful time for us all, i should have been a little more understanding myself and stayed out of it. this isn't the time to needle each other. hope you and the fam are hunkered down comfortably and not driving each other too stir crazy. <-- that's an elbow bump don't touch me
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So most of you are working from home/staying at home? Wish I could do the same but sadly people still have to shit and flush toilets so we are stuck having to go to work. Specially working in a waste water treatment plant where we get to literally deal with actual shit, it’s not very comforting so I’m hoping the light at the end of the tunnel comes soon!
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I've placed him on ignore. Apologies.
You're really unbelievable. How did I say anything remotely controversial? Absolute delusion.
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In thread is not the place to continue this.
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I honestly don't see this as a healthcare issue at this point. All systems will be at capacity, all countries will face shortages of swabs and means to test everyone. More people will die in the developing world where the # of ICU beds and specialized staff are in short supply, yes.

It's an issue of the response at the top levels of government and a clear example of a total and abject lack of leadership in some places.

If you had private healthcare but literally almost anyone else in office - be it Hillary, or Mittens, or Obama, or even GWB, the US response would not be this pathetic.
The US does not have enough medical equipment or enough beds. The hospital I was treated in when I was nearly killed shuttered its doors earlier this year because of our current system. They intentionally bankrupted it so that they could sell the building to make luxury condos. They put a bunch of med students and health care professionals on the street with no plan to move them elsewhere. It's far from the first time this has happened.

Trump has taken everything to the extreme in terms of how bad it can be, but we've been making ourselves unprepared dating back long before Trump came about.
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In thread is not the place to continue this.
He's apparently ignored me, so I suppose it will not be continued at all!
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