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Old 03-13-2020, 05:31 PM   #321
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I refuse to make irresistible on Trump's end anymore. He's a political cockroach
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This has got to be Trump's political end, right? I've said that to myself about a thousand times the last few years, but this time feels different.
God willing it will be. He and his administration, and the GOP at large, own this. They deserve to face every last consequence imaginable in regards to their hideously inept response to this, and to the larger issue of healthcare in general.
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would be one thing if the Republican incumbent was some milquetoast, run-of-the-mill Republican. But you should damn well know that this isn’t a low stakes election. If Trump puts two more conservative justices on the Supreme Court, you can kiss any hopes of enacting progressive policy goodbye for DECADES. You want Medicare for all? A 7-2 court ain’t going to help you there. You want more environmentally responsible policy? Good luck with a 7-2 court. You want government cracking down on capitalism run amok? Let’s have a 7-2 conservative court tackle that, and see how corporations fare. For decades.
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he's allowed to not vote for joe biden if his conscience really tells him not to, everyone.

you can disagree with him all you want to, but calling that a tantrum or a sign of mental illness is pretty insulting.
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I apologized to you months ago last year, then reminded you that i did (i misunderstood something which then set me off)

So i hope you will read.

To blanketly call Biden a racist may be too much - he's been staunch supporter of the Gold Star families. I've seen video of him speaking to gatherings - there were plenty of African Americans there.This is another reason wh y a lot of black people support him.

Among things progressives stand for are caring about people, especially the vulnerable, and marginalized by race, sexism, being LGBTQI, class, poverty, homelrssness, disability, age, religion etc.
That's (among the things) we do.

All these groups (and others in other ways) have already been affected by some to serious degrees by Trump ALREADY. Now ADD 4 MORE YEARS- do you UNDERSTAND HOW MANY MORE of these Vulnerable Populations are going become sicker, or die, become jobless, homeless etc ?!

How can you in "good consciousness" endanger these people further ?
You turn these groups into sacrificial lambs without them having a say in their fate by not actively voting against Trump by not voting for (probably) Biden.

I'm in 4 of these categories - you look me in the eye (so to speak) and say you don't care if my health, my food safety net, and more may be serious jeopardy with another 4 years of Trump.
(I used to be middle, middle class, and I cared about this all back then, too)

Not to mention The Planet because at least Biden believes in Science! He believes in Climate Change. At least he can sometimes e reasoned with.

We get him in office and then protest the hell out of him for the things we want or don't him to do! We also support him on things we like.
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God willing it will be. He and his administration, and the GOP at large, own this. They deserve to face every last consequence imaginable in regards to their hideously inept response to this, and to the larger issue of healthcare in general.
You said it. Stay healthy!

I'll only be on WiFi 1x - 2x wk til tis goes away, since i don't have at home
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Jerry Dunk
I apologized to you months ago last year, then reminded you that i did (i misunderstood something which then set me off)

So i hope you will read.

To blanketly call Biden a racist may be too much - he's been staunch supporter of the Gold Star families. I've seen video of him speaking to gatherings - there were plenty of African Americans there.This is another reason wh y a lot of black people support him.

Among things progressives stand for are caring about people, especially the vulnerable, and marginalized by race, sexism, being LGBTQI, class, poverty, homelrssness, disability, age, religion etc.
That's (among the things) we do.

All these groups (and others in other ways) have already been affected by some to serious degrees by Trump ALREADY. Now ADD 4 MORE YEARS- do you UNDERSTAND HOW MANY MORE of these Vulnerable Populations are going become sicker, or die, become jobless, homeless etc ?!

How can you in "good consciousness" endanger these people further ?
You turn these groups into sacrificial lambs without them having a say in their fate by not actively voting against Trump by not voting for (probably) Biden.

I'm in 4 of these categories - you look me in the eye (so to speak) and say you don't care if my health, my food safety net, and more may be serious jeopardy with another 4 years of Trump.
(I used to be middle, middle class, and I cared about this all back then, too)

Not to mention The Planet because at least Biden believes in Science! He believes in Climate Change. At least he can sometimes e reasoned with.

We get him in office and then protest the hell out of him for the things we want or don't him to do! We also support him on things we like.
Great Post!

Please don't be fooled by Jerry's nonsense. While he claims Biden is "horrific" on the environment. That is flatly false. He is also more than someone that believes in science and can be reasoned with.

His plan is rated a B+ by Greenpeace and 90% by the League of Conservation Voters. This is just behind Sanders and Warren, equal to Harris and above Amy, Pete, Beto, Yang and Castro.

I won't even dignify the racist smear with a response.
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And I know everything is Covid--19 and the stock market right now, but in case anyone was wondering There are new polls out for upcoming states.

Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 65, Sanders 27 Biden +38
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 66, Sanders 25 Biden +41
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 66, Sanders 22 Biden +44
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 69, Sanders 14 Biden +55
Illinois Democratic Primary Biden 57, Sanders 36 Biden +21
Illinois Democratic Primary Biden 63, Sanders 25 Biden +38
Ohio Democratic Primary Biden 57, Sanders 35 Biden +22
Arizona Democratic Primary Biden 51, Sanders 34 Biden +17
Wisconsin Democratic Primary Biden 55, Sanders 39 Biden +16
Kansas Democratic Primary Biden 59, Sanders 35 Biden +24
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This feels different to me too - it's easy to write off Trump when there are no personal consequences to you. But Americans have no concept of bread lines, or real chaos inside their borders. He is going to become totally unacceptable.
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And I know everything is Covid--19 and the stock market right now, but in case anyone was wondering There are new polls out for upcoming states.

Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 65, Sanders 27 Biden +38
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 66, Sanders 25 Biden +41
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 66, Sanders 22 Biden +44
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Biden 69, Sanders 14 Biden +55
Illinois Democratic Primary Biden 57, Sanders 36 Biden +21
Illinois Democratic Primary Biden 63, Sanders 25 Biden +38
Ohio Democratic Primary Biden 57, Sanders 35 Biden +22
Arizona Democratic Primary Biden 51, Sanders 34 Biden +17
Wisconsin Democratic Primary Biden 55, Sanders 39 Biden +16
Kansas Democratic Primary Biden 59, Sanders 35 Biden +24

Sounds great!
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I think that Trump's entire schtick has been that he can always flat out lie and spin his way out of the target of journalists and congress and lawyers, etc... And even though most of his mouth-breathing masses know he's lying and cheating the whole time, it's what they like about him. He entertained them, he got one over on the liberal media, on those baby killing democrats. It didn't matter how. The economy was doing good, and his racism was a plus for a lot of them too.
So let him do his Trump thing and watch the libs cry.

Well, this is different. Very different. And it is different than Katrina. Katrina was a localized problem. Only economy hurt was in that area. This is the whole country, and beyond. Something that has shut down every sports team, every broadway play, concert, theaters, Disneyland, schools. Hospitals are likely to be overrun. Tens of thousands will likely die. A recession is looming as we are looking at negative GDP on the horizon.

Not only does everyone know he fucked this up. But they see a bumbling sweaty mess, making things worse every time he opens his mouth.

I am so looking forward to a crushing defeat of this worthless, vile, piece of shit.
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that clip of him saying "i take no responsibility" is a very generous gift to democrats at every level of every ticket.
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I think that Trump's entire schtick has been that he can always flat out lie and spin his way out of the target of journalists and congress and lawyers, etc... And even though most of his mouth-breathing masses know he's lying and cheating the whole time, it's what they like about him. He entertained them, he got one over on the liberal media, on those baby killing democrats. It didn't matter how. The economy was doing good, and his racism was a plus for a lot of them too.
So let him do his Trump thing and watch the libs cry.

Well, this is different. Very different. And it is different than Katrina. Katrina was a localized problem. Only economy hurt was in that area. This is the whole country, and beyond. Something that has shut down every sports team, every broadway play, concert, theaters, Disneyland, schools. Hospitals are likely to be overrun. Tens of thousands will likely die. A recession is looming as we are looking at negative GDP on the horizon.

Not only does everyone know he fucked this up. But they see a bumbling sweaty mess, making things worse every time he opens his mouth.

I am so looking forward to a crushing defeat of this worthless, vile, piece of shit.
“Tens of thousands will likely die??” This isn’t the 1918 Spanish Flu, the 2009 Swine Flu (which no one here will want to discuss the response and outcome of) , or even the flu TODAY. I get being cautious and stopping the spread of corona, that’s important. However, most people recover from this within a couple of weeks. This seems to be the kind of overreaction that we don’t need
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Ahhh one of the last remaining "conservative independent" hold outs.

I thought the glorious leader said it was ok for you guys to acknowledge this now?

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Statistical models meant to project the potential reach of the coronavirus and the COVID-19 disease suggest more than a million Americans could die if the nation does not take swift action to stop its spread as quickly as possible.

At least three different models built by epidemiology experts suggest that millions of Americans will contract the coronavirus, even in optimistic projections, based on what they know of its spread in China and the United States so far.

One model from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) suggested that between 160 million and 210 million Americans could contract the disease over as long as a year. Based on mortality data and current hospital capacity, the number of deaths under the CDC's scenarios ranged from 200,000 to as many as 1.7 million.

It found as many as 21 million people might need hospitalization, a daunting figure in a nation with just about 925,000 hospital beds.

The CDC's model was described to The Hill by an expert who watched the presentation. The New York Times first reported its existence.

"CDC is working with federal partners on modeling efforts to estimate how many COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations and deaths might occur under various hypothetical scenarios and what the economic impact of COVID-19 might be on the United States. This type of modeling work is commonly used as a planning tool during outbreaks and can help inform the public health response, as well as other policies (e.g. economic policies) to mitigate the potential impact on the United States," a CDC spokesman said in a statement.

The spokesman said the modeling can help health systems plan for a surge in patients and help the CDC plan to distribute medical experts and equipment. It also helps show local governments when mitigation steps like school closures are wise.

Another model built by experts at Resolve to Save Lives, a global health nonprofit, and the Council on Foreign Relations found the number of potential deaths could range from as few as 163,500, if the virus is no more deadly than seasonal influenza, to more than 1.6 million if the virus carries a mortality rate of just 1 percent.

Those figures are based on estimates that half of Americans will contract the virus.

Globally, the numbers are even more staggering. Five researchers at Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health estimated that between 20 percent and 60 percent of everyone on earth - or between 1.4 billion and 4.2 billion people - could eventually contract the disease.

If the virus only kills 1 percent of those who contract it, somewhere between 14 million and 42 million people are at risk. In countries like Iran and Italy, where health systems are overrun, the mortality rate can be much higher.

The models are meant to project how a virus spreads around the world, including assumptions for both best- and worst-case scenarios. Those worst-case scenarios assume societies take no action against the virus - and in some cases the eye-popping numbers can spur a community to action, said Tom Frieden, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who now runs Resolve to Save Lives.

"Modeling is to inform planning so that the worst-case scenarios are much less likely to occur," he said in an email. "The range of estimates is huge. We need much more information, fast, to understand how to limit the harms."

The CDC warned that new data was still coming in, and that assumptions about the virus - how readily it spreads, how deadly it might be - continue to evolve.

"This is a rapidly evolving situation and information is changing quickly. Estimates based on data from other countries might not be applicable to the United States and it is unclear how the COVID-19 situation will play out in this country," the agency spokesman said.

Governments across the world have taken a range of actions meant to hew closer to best-case outcomes, ranging from China's harsh crackdowns and enforced quarantines to South Korea's vast army of testers who screen motorists at drive-through stations.

In the United States, where the federal government has been slower to act, state governments have moved to squelch outbreaks in their backyards. Mobile testing stations have opened in Minnesota and Colorado. Large gatherings have been prohibited in Washington, New York, Oregon and elsewhere. Several states have won approval from the Food and Drug Administration to begin testing patients for the virus, and New York has even rolled out its own plan to make tens of thousands of gallons of hand sanitizer every day.
edit: awww you edited overreaction out of your post
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Ahhh one of the last remaining "conservative independent" hold outs.

I thought the glorious leader said it was ok for you guys to acknowledge this now?



edit: awww you edited overreaction out of your post
Did you miss the part in what you shared that “estimates continue to evolve”, and that the entire article is based on speculation, and that I acknowledged that the actions of social distancing are beneficial and I agree with them?

And sorry Snopes, I still have the word overreaction in my post that “tens of thousands may die”.

Libs gonna lib
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Did you miss the part in what you shared that “estimates continue to evolve”, and that the entire article is based on speculation, and that I acknowledged that the actions of social distancing are beneficial and I agree with them?

And sorry Snopes, I still have the word overreaction in my post that “tens of thousands may die”.

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Well considering that this virus pandemic is really just beginning and already there have been 4981 deaths world wide, yes it will be in the tens of thousands that will end up dead by the end of it.
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I’m glad the stocks are ok
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The stocks and Bono are ok
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For Trump it has been about the stock market and his re-election from the first day, and always will be. Anyone who can't see that is refusing to for various reasons. And I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Trump cares about them on a human level, in the midst of this pandemic or any other time. He is devoid of that. My non professional opinion is that he's a pathological narcissist.
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“Tens of thousands will likely die??” This isn’t the 1918 Spanish Flu, the 2009 Swine Flu (which no one here will want to discuss the response and outcome of) , or even the flu TODAY. I get being cautious and stopping the spread of corona, that’s important. However, most people recover from this within a couple of weeks. This seems to be the kind of overreaction that we don’t need


Maybe look that mortality rate for the Spanish Flu. We'll wait.

Also if you're at it, look up why it's called the Spanish Flu.
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