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Old 02-26-2020, 07:34 PM   #501
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Which idiot Sanders surrogate went to publicly say "hard pass" to Bloomberg's money in the general election? Jesus Christ.
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Which idiot Sanders surrogate went to publicly say "hard pass" to Bloomberg's money in the general election? Jesus Christ.


How on earth do you think bernie sanders could take a dime from Mike Bloomberg at this point? He can’t. That’s not even in the conversation.
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Great post. I consider myself to be on your team. Warren supporter and ideologically closer to Bernie than to, say, Klobuchar. I still think that Warren would be ideal - she is more intelligent than Bernie, she is much more policy and results-oriented, she is an outright capitalist and proposes smart, doable things. However, she is a woman who sounds like a "know it all" and "like she's lecturing America" and "Fauxahontas" and God knows what else people fling at her. She got destroyed for providing details about her plans while Bernie is allowed to propose this, that and the other thing and nobody cares anymore that he can't pay for any of it. As a woman I find it infuriating because to me, it's yet another example of how the odds are stacked against us.

Bloomberg really is doing fine on the CNN town hall. He's not Mr. Charisma but he's not un-informed.
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How on earth do you think bernie sanders could take a dime from Mike Bloomberg at this point? He can’t. That’s not even in the conversation.
I think that you find middle ground - Bernie doesn't have to take the money directly BUT he is not a lone man on a mission out there no matter how much he likes to believe that. Happily accept Bloomberg's money down ticked and make that clear. "While Bernie is not looking to accept money from billionaires, there are hundreds of down ticket Democratic candidates who could be helped greatly." Easy enough.
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I think that you find middle ground - Bernie doesn't have to take the money directly BUT he is not a lone man on a mission out there no matter how much he likes to believe that. Happily accept Bloomberg's money down ticked and make that clear. "While Bernie is not looking to accept money from billionaires, there are hundreds of down ticket Democratic candidates who could be helped greatly." Easy enough.


Bernie doesn’t have to state that though? Democrat candidates down ticket aren’t beholden to Sanders. They very well might be running as moderates to keep sanders in check, happily taking bloomybucks.

There’s enough money to go around.
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In a week, we are going to be back to the start: Bernie vs Biden.
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Great post. I consider myself to be on your team. Warren supporter and ideologically closer to Bernie than to, say, Klobuchar. I still think that Warren would be ideal - she is more intelligent than Bernie, she is much more policy and results-oriented, she is an outright capitalist and proposes smart, doable things. However, she is a woman who sounds like a "know it all" and "like she's lecturing America" and "Fauxahontas" and God knows what else people fling at her. She got destroyed for providing details about her plans while Bernie is allowed to propose this, that and the other thing and nobody cares anymore that he can't pay for any of it. As a woman I find it infuriating because to me, it's yet another example of how the odds are stacked against us.
This and namkcuR's post sum up my take on everything perfectly.
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Wow, these South Carolina polls really are erratic. I suspect the Biden blowouts are more accurate than the close calls, but we will see.
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Attachment 12411

The latest and greatest from The Prick, errr I mean Chris Cillizza’s The Point.

Totally different. This guy is so fucking smug, I bet his ass just loves Mayor Pete. Smugness4president.

Anyways, I wanted to point out 75% of democrats, 45% of independents, and 15% of republicans.

For the approximately 155 million registered voters, we have about 30% republican, 30% democrat, and 60% independent. Or... 46.5 million republicans, 46.5 million democrats, and 93 million independents.

In a country where about 110 million people vote in any given election, of the 155 million voters, we have a turnout at like 71%.

34.875 million democrat voters said they would be willing to vote for a socialist. 41.85 million independent voters said they would be willing to vote for a socialist. 6.975 million republican voters said they would be willing to vote for a socialist. So a total of 83.7 million people are willing to vote for a socialist. Slap a 71% factor on that number for turnout. 59.4 million voters (the ballpark of what a candidate gets). Oh, also, 83.7 million is over half of 155 million (77.5 million).

So I’ve just done a shit ton of hand waving first order math that says what? There are way more than enough people willing to vote for a socialist in this country, so really? Turnout is important for such a candidate. As with any candidate. Who knew?

Politics is just a game, a curiousity to someone like Cillizza. He'll have a cushy life no matter the result.
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He’s just so... high school English. Write an argumentative paper. He loves citing first order facts which are in fact... facts... but utilizing them in incredibly faulty ways. And with such smugness. I can’t think of a “journalist” I hate more. He’s up there with Hannity, at least. Definitely the Hannity across the isle.
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My gut tells me that Biden will do well in SC. Which he really has to since it’s his last stand.

On a different note, if I wasn’t convinced that Trump’s brain is fried I’d be thinking he is setting up Pence for failure on purpose.
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Based on my own personal luck and Mike Pence's advice, I'm staying the hell away from women until this whole Coronavirus crisis is over.
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I see we've moved on to "Bloomberg's a pedophile"

The internet - proof that we can't have nice things.
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Was he really a “nice thing”?
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Feel the need to get down some thoughts about Bernie here.

I sort of feel like I don't have a team here. I'm not a 100% Bernie loyalist like Peef and Dave, but nor do I agree with some of the vitriol that some people in here have been spitting at him lately.

I started out supporting Bernie over Hillary in 2016, but by the Spring I had soured on him a little, due to the behavior of his supporters(whether that behavior is reflective of a majority or simply a loud minority) and due to his seeming lack of interest in foreign policy. This is despite the fact that I am ideologically to the left of Hillary.

I started this campaign out as a Warren supporter. Still am. She's still my #1 choice, but it's not happening. She seems like an ideal bridge between the left and the establishment, but the left is not terribly interested in bridges and the monied interests that fund the establishment don't like Warren.

So now it's Bernie or one of the remaining centrists. People fret about whether or not Sanders can win in November, but I don't see a single one of these centrists as being a sure bet to win. Biden comes off as a confused old man too often, and when he's not doing that, he's relying on "Obama" and "I was the one" too much. Klobuchar is DOA. Pete is the most well-spoken of all of them, but he's almost too smooth, hasn't proven the ability to attract minorities, and has imo shifted positions too much. Bloomberg's debates haven't gone well enough to make anyone overly confident that he'd do well against Trump, and his aggressive "get off my lawn" approach to anything halfway-leftist is off-putting.

If any of these people seemed like an overwhelming favorite, I'd favor them, because beating Trump is the most important thing.

But none of them seem like that to me, at least not right now. And if that's the case, and if Warren is done, than I might as well go with the guy who both has policies that I favor and an actual chance to win the nomination, even if I do have concerns about him.

I do have concerns, and I understand you guys' concerns. But some of you are going over-the-top. I have seen people fear-mongering with the word 'socialist' in here, and when you do that, you sound like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Don't.

We need to get past this cold-war mentality already. When Bloomberg accused Bernie of communism in his first debate, I rolled my eyes so hard. This attempt, that the media is complicit in, to connect Bernie to Cuba and the Soviet Union and Nicaragua, etc et al, as though that's the kind of society he wants to create, is disingenuous. Nobody actually believes that. Not the candidates, not the media, and not anyone in here. But there are uneducated voters who would fall for it, and that's the point.

At the same time, Bernie does himself no favors when given the opportunity to debunk that stuff. It frustrates me that we still have to have this conversation, but we do, the accusations are going to come, and he needs to get a hell of a lot better at combating that stuff if he's going to be the nominee. Like, you have no intention of creating a pure socialist, authoritarian society, so say that when you're asked, and say it clearly, emphatically, and without equivocation.

And he needs to stop letting his staff tweet out unhelpful crap about coming for the Democratic Establishment too.

I also see, both in here and in the media, this panic, this prognostication that he's going to lose in a landslide, lose 40 states, and we'll lose the House because of it. That just seems extreme to me. I'm not saying he'll definitely win. It will probably be a close election in terms of the electoral college(but not the popular vote). But he could win.

So, I generally support Bernie's policies(even if I'm not wild about the man), and I'm not overly convinced of anyone else's certain path to victory, so for now, I'm cautiously supporting him(while being sad that Warren is being counted out). Also, and it's sad I have to say this, but another reason I'm increasingly supportive of him is that I increasingly don't trust his supporters to show up for anyone else in November.

Thanks for reading.
Almost identical to me, down to my initial support of Sanders in 2016, and believing Warren would be the best president of the bunch

But for me, as I've stated many times here, the biggest, most important, most vital thing is winning the Senate. There really is nothing more urgent than this.

So while I started supporting Biden this time, but then shifted towards Warren, As I see her run coming to an end, while I may be somewhere in the middle of Biden and Bernie in policy. I cannot use my vote to take a chance on losing the senate. Too much is at stake.

Imagine 4 years of a republican senate. Hundreds more federal judges placed for a lifetime.
If Trump wins, another seat on the Supreme court.

I also have to think logically about the path to win in the general. Biden has more options to win than Sanders. I think they could both win, but the only one i see with more options and the possibility to win really big, is Biden.

So because of that. Biden still has my vote.
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I was referring to the internet
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The known Sanders oppo folder, in Twitter thread form.

https://twitter.com/riotwomennn/stat...251746304?s=19
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And to all those that keep calling Biden a bumbling mess. Take 90 seconds and watch this and remember why these are the reasons - in the general, doing town halls, making speeches, meeting with groups, Biden excels. I also think his debate game will be much sharper with 2 people on the stage. I think the 7-8 people all shouting over each other is not a good setting for him.

anyway. I'm not a religious guy. My background kind of cured me of that. But my dad is a minister, and I know that it is important to many people and brings comfort in their lives. So this is a very genuine moment that just shows how as a person, he is the antithesis of Trump.

https://twitter.com/NicolleDWallace/...50034103922690
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And to all those that keep calling Biden a bumbling mess. Take 90 seconds and watch this and remember why these are the reasons - in the general, doing town halls, making speeches, meeting with groups, Biden excels. I also think his debate game will be much sharper with 2 people on the stage. I think the 7-8 people all shouting over each other is not a good setting for him.
He is folksy which comes across in town halls, but I don't think it's the number of people on stage in a debate as much as the fact that he is prone to saying dumb things + he is not quick on his feet. And because most people are idiots, they want to be entertained by their politicians so his inability to be quick with barbs or quips hurts him.

I also don't think that he has the best people running his campaign. Too many things have gone sideways. I think this was also part of Hillary's problem.
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Biden isn't as sharp as he used to be, but he's no where near the level of Trump.

It's horrible that the media just slices and pieces together Trump's maniac ramblings so they appear to be normal for the news/soundbites.

Anyone who watched that presser yesterday, or any time he opens his mouth, can see that this man is unwell, a moron, and completely ill-equipped to tackle this

Instead we'll get the news filtered to say everything is fine, when it's clearly not. We are no prepared for the mass outages that are to come (meaning school, business closures).
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