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Old 02-25-2020, 01:15 PM   #221
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do you really want to go down this path of "deliberate killing of women and children automatically makes a government pure evil"?

because if so, oh boy am i ready to blow your mind about america.
No because you're ducking and dodging and I'm going to allow you the privilege of carrying your horrible argument any further.
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my "horrible argument" was literally just recounting historical facts, not a single one of which you've done anything at all to refute.

all i did was saw your "13 de marzo" and raised you one wounded knee and by the looks of it you're folding like a cheap suit.

feel free to actually address anything i said and we can go from there.
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the idea that joe biden "has no more baggage than what has already been thrown at him" is nuts.

trump is going to hammer him with ukraine/burisma/anita hall over and over and over again just as much as he would hammer sanders with socialism. biden is going to be on the defensive too if he's the nominee and i have far more confidence in sanders being able to push back effectively and counter-attack than i do in biden.
But that is the baggage that has already been thrown at him. Sorry, but moderates and soft Repubs don't care about Anita Hill. and 90% of them also know (as opposed to 2016) that Trump is a pathological liar and that the Biden/Burisma thing is bullshit. I also don't think he really want's to bring up what got him impeached. Plays great with his 35% base but will land like a thud with suburban voters.

The socialism thing is actually fresh. It was thrown at Obama and only the far right nut-jobs ran with that. But now you have someone saying - I'm a socialist. Soooo... not a smear, but a reiteration. And his self-made video clips of kind words for socialist leaders is a universe away from a theoretical conflict of interest with Biden's son.
Conflating how those two things and how they would play with the moderate, swingable voters is outlandish.
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my "horrible argument" was literally just recounting historical facts, not a single one of which you've done anything at all to refute.

all i did was saw your "13 de marzo" and raised you one wounded knee and by the looks of it you're folding like a cheap suit.

feel free to actually address anything i said and we can go from there.
I did and you pulled a "woah wait till you see what I have in store for you" card and I've simply lost interest in arguing with our resident Fidel Castro fan.
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my "horrible argument" was literally just recounting historical facts, not a single one of which you've done anything at all to refute.

all i did was saw your "13 de marzo" and raised you one wounded knee and by the looks of it you're folding like a cheap suit.

feel free to actually address anything i said and we can go from there.
Don't need to refute anything. You're ignoring my reply.

If you're explaining, you're losing.
If you make HD quality video spots of yourself praising Castro, you're losing.
If you think that some nuanced, "well he was terrible, BUT, he also had these good things..." You are losing.

And if you'd like Bernie to go out there and say how America is just as bad as countries under brutal, murderous leaders. By all means. Please have him do it at the debate tonight so he is no longer in contention for the nomination.

DaveC meet Politics. Policts, Dave C... please get acquainted.
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last week i was the resident rudy giuliani fan and this week i'm the resident fidel castro fan. lmao dude just take the L and sit down.
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Don't need to refute anything. You're ignoring my reply.



If you're explaining, you're losing.

If you make HD quality video spots of yourself praising Castro, you're losing.

If you think that some nuanced, "well he was terrible, BUT, he also had these good things..." You are losing.



And if you'd like Bernie to go out there and say how America is just as bad as countries under brutal, murderous leaders. By all means. Please have him do it at the debate tonight so he is no longer in contention for the nomination.



DaveC meet Politics. Policts, Dave C... please get acquainted.
But keep in mind, our health care challenges in America is the equivalent of killing 6 million Jews. And Hitler did do some good things.
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Don't need to refute anything. You're ignoring my reply.

If you're explaining, you're losing.
If you make HD quality video spots of yourself praising Castro, you're losing.
If you think that some nuanced, "well he was terrible, BUT, he also had these good things..." You are losing.

And if you'd like Bernie to go out there and say how America is just as bad as countries under brutal, murderous leaders. By all means. Please have him do it at the debate tonight so he is no longer in contention for the nomination.

DaveC meet Politics. Policts, Dave C... please get acquainted.
yes that's totally the script i wrote for bernie and i want him to spend his time on the campaign trail talking about cuba. i definitely didn't already make it abundantly clear that i was just writing that myself as a semi-lighthearted tongue-in-cheek post about history. in fact i'm going to print that post off and mail it to the sanders campaign office right now so that he has time to practice it for tonight.
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But keep in mind, our health care challenges in America is the equivalent of killing 6 million Jews. And Hitler did do some good things.
yeah, i'm the one who's gone completely off the rails. yikes.
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king victor emmanuel III made the trains run on time

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All I see with all the bickering and |insert group| will stay home if |insert nominee| is the nominee is that people are really okay with Donald Trump.
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yeah, i'm the one who's gone completely off the rails. yikes.
Correct.
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well, i'm certainly not forcing you to read my posts. feel free anytime to go back to your usual routine of wishing fatal illnesses on people you don't know.
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All I see with all the bickering and |insert group| will stay home if |insert nominee| is the nominee is that people are really okay with Donald Trump.
Eh, it's always like this. Will people really stay home in droves on either side of the issue. No, not really.

What is more in contention is -

Will young voters stay home if Biden is the nom. Sure some will not be energized to go

Will Older voters, suburban women, and swing repubs stay home if Bernie is nominated - yeah, probably some will

Will progressive, younger, voters stay home for Bloomberg. Sure, some will

We also have to refocus this in the lens of going against Trump.

It remains that 60-70% of Dems number one priority is removing Trump. So this is a vote driver that didn't even exist 4 years ago.

Within the party, if progressives stay home because Bloomberg wins, then that's privileged as shit IMO. But I expect that most actually won't if they really think about 4 more of Trump.

Will moderates stay home because of Bernie. I highly doubt this, and would shitty of them as well. You can say a lot about moderates, but one thing they will do is show up to vote for someone with a D next to their name.

There's a lot to happen in the next couple months. Things will get crazy and heated. It will settle down and focus in the summer/fall.
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yes that's totally the script i wrote for bernie and i want him to spend his time on the campaign trail talking about cuba. i definitely didn't already make it abundantly clear that i was just writing that myself as a semi-lighthearted tongue-in-cheek post about history. in fact i'm going to print that post off and mail it to the sanders campaign office right now so that he has time to practice it for tonight.
Would it hurt for you to ever concede that maybe, just maybe Sanders could tweak his approach a bit? That after winning a huge victory in NV, that going on national TV and making some positive comments on Castro, was well, really stupid and easily avoided?
That at some point he has to consider not being a one note, island of a candidate, but to actually connect with the party he is running for the nomination of?

I concede Biden's and Warren's weakness and fuck-ups all the time. They are just people to me. I have no allegiance. I think it would help more people to approach political figures this way.
I like Sanders enough to vote and probably donate to him in the general. But I would be so much more open to happily backing Sanders if he just made some reach to the millions of longtime Dems. Or to the voters that just delivered us the Congress.
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It remains that 60-70% of Dems number one priority is removing Trump. So this is a vote driver that didn't even exist 4 years ago.



This fact is the one remaining thing that gives me hope. EVERYONE thought Hillary would win, so I think some of our more self-absorbed voters flattered themselves with protest votes. As if voting for Stein were a virtue signal.

Hopefully, that’s all gone now. And no one will take Wisconsin for granted. Ans keeping in mind that Twump threaded some kind of electoral needle that isn’t at all weird.
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Now's a good time to remind everyone that the president eliminated large chunks of funding for programs to prevent pandemics, so none of this will matter since we'll be in the midst of a massive quarantine and zombie invasion in November and election day will be canceled.
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Would it hurt for you to ever concede that maybe, just maybe Sanders could tweak his approach a bit? That after winning a huge victory in NV, that going on national TV and making some positive comments on Castro, was well, really stupid and easily avoided?
That at some point he has to consider not being a one note, island of a candidate, but to actually connect with the party he is running for the nomination of?

I concede Biden's and Warren's weakness and fuck-ups all the time. They are just people to me. I have no allegiance. I think it would help more people to approach political figures this way.
I like Sanders enough to vote and probably donate to him in the general. But I would be so much more open to happily backing Sanders if he just made some reach to the millions of longtime Dems. Or to the voters that just delivered us the Congress.
i don't recall being asked prior to this to concede that sanders could tweak his approach a bit, but yes of course he could and he should, especially if he continues to build a lead and has to pivot his message to the general electorate and not just democrats in certain states. what i've been trying to get at today is that the answer on castro wasn't necessarily wrong per se if you get the point he was trying to make, but it was very tone deaf and he'll need to work on that going forward. i'm sure it'll get brought up at the debate tonight and i'm very interested to see how he responds.
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Trump openly commented that America has done just as bad things as those dictators and didn't face any backlash for those comments. Of course, the plays by different rules. So do the GOP.

They're the party that can storm into a SCIF with personal devices and face no penalty, where if the Dems (or any of us) did that same move, you bet we'd all face some form of legal consequence.

Bernie's admiration of communist/socialist dictators will absolutely hurt him in the election. Trump and the GOP will run ads 24/7 on that.

Let's also not forget what the GOP are going to do with Bernie's sexual fantasy essays. I actually don't give a shit about anything fictional he wrote, but it won't be framed that way to the voters.

Again, no one cares that Trump is a pedo rapist, but you can bet the country will care that Bernie wrote some racy things about women
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well, i'm certainly not forcing you to read my posts. feel free anytime to go back to your usual routine of wishing fatal illnesses on people you don't know.
I'm going to stop the conversation here, but I'll say this. In retrospect, that was a very bad moment and a bad look for me. I apologized for it as well as my comments the following day. I was going through some personal items but that's not a good excuse. It was unacceptable.

The fact that you felt the need to bring it up again because we disagree on a topic is something that everyone will read and now judge you on.
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