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Old 02-04-2020, 12:48 PM   #901
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US Politics XVIII: the illegitimate partisan sham thread

Ill take Bloomberg over Trump in an instant.


https://twitter.com/timothypmurphy/s...709895169?s=21

This is the sad part from last night. The GOP will continue to degrade our institutions in hope people give up


https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/...152947200?s=21
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My worrie about Bloombie is that he’ll be too “cosmopolitan” in the states that actually matter. Winning California by 70 points doesn’t help.

He’s also hated by the gun nut crowd.
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https://twitter.com/HenryJGomez/stat...53081490354177

"please don't release the results that show our candidate got absolutely clobbered until we can figure out a way to get the campaign off life-support, thanks"
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:26 PM   #904
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My worrie about Bloombie is that he’ll be too “cosmopolitan” in the states that actually matter. Winning California by 70 points doesn’t help.

He’s also hated by the gun nut crowd.
Maybe the one thing to keep in mind is that if it isn't Biden, who connects to the working class, rural moderates, or Sanders, who gets some of the working/rural voters as well, then it might as well be Bloomberg. Warren or Pete aren't going to win that group either, and they are both very weak with minority voters as well.

But I do see your point. Not sure how he will play in some of the swing states. I think he could do well in FL, but not sure on midwest or NC...
To be sure, I think his money will be able to fund huge ground operations in whatever states he wants. (like I said, he has 1000 people already in Missouri) but he could load up WI, and MI, and PA, or wherever else and edge out Trump that way.

One feeling I get from Bloomberg is that he isn't going to let himself lose if he gets to the general. I think he will do anything to defeat Trump. And he has the resources to do it.
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Or....

Is it more likely that a bunch of old folk don’t know how to use technology versus some god damn conspiracy against Bernie??

They have the paper trial and all the info. They done fucked up with the app.

The bigger issue is the low turnout. Iowa is saying the levels are at 2016 or slightly below.

There isn’t any excitement for anyone in the Dem camp but the number one issue is still ‘Beat Trump’


Or...

I never said anything about Bernie Sanders.

I said something about Joe Biden.
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https://twitter.com/ap_politics/stat...004670466?s=21

How are they so bad at this ?

Wait for the full count. Double check it, then release
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Bloomberg was asked what he thinks the public thinks about 2 billionaires fighting on Twitter.

He replied "Two billionaires? Who's the second one?"

You know this is killing Trump.
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"please don't release the results that show our candidate got absolutely clobbered until we can figure out a way to get the campaign off life-support, thanks"
In an effort to not just criticize Bernie on these sort of things. I will say that this move is ridiculous and pathetic. The talk of a lawsuit if they don't show all the cards, etc... is a weak move, and he should take whatever the results are and move on.
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Bloomberg was asked what he thinks the public thinks about 2 billionaires fighting on Twitter.

He replied "Two billionaires? Who's the second one?"

You know this is killing Trump.
You can't teach that sort of quick shredding. He will be formidable in the primary but much more so if he gets to Trump.
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If Bloomberg were to win the nomination, wouldn't that be the nail in the coffin for Iowa? To have a whole field of 5-10 candidates who all spent a year kissing Iowa's ass all lose to the guy who flipped Iowa the bird and skipped it altogether?
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If Bloomberg were to win the nomination, wouldn't that be the nail in the coffin for Iowa? To have a whole field of 5-10 candidates who all spent a year kissing Iowa's ass all lose to the guy who flipped Iowa the bird and skipped it altogether?
I dunno. I don't think it will mean much by the time November rolls around. If the number 1 issue is defeating Trump, I don't think the fact that Bloomberg got in late and didn't start into any primaries until super tuesday, will make voters say, no way, I'm not voting for the one guy up against Trump.
Also by that time, Bloomberg will probably have constructed the largest ground operation ever, in every state. It will be a whole new ballgame if he is the nominee.
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I dunno. I don't think it will mean much by the time November rolls around. If the number 1 issue is defeating Trump, I don't think the fact that Bloomberg got in late and didn't start into any primaries until super tuesday, will make voters say, no way, I'm not voting for the one guy up against Trump.
Also by that time, Bloomberg will probably have constructed the largest ground operation ever, in every state. It will be a whole new ballgame if he is the nominee.
That's not what I was saying though. I don't think it would mean anything for his chances in November either. What I was saying is that if Bloomberg were to win the nomination without even competing in Iowa, wouldn't that just add fuel to the fire of 'let's get rid of the Iowa first-in-the-nation Caucus'?
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That's not what I was saying though. I don't think it would mean anything for his chances in November either. What I was saying is that if Bloomberg were to win the nomination without even competing in Iowa, wouldn't that just add fuel to the fire of 'let's get rid of the Iowa first-in-the-nation Caucus'?
Ah, i gotcha. Sorry.
Yeah, I think it definitely doesn't help their cause. I think it's pretty much a done deal that Iowa gets booted. That would great. Hopefully it will be replaced by a state with a representative population.
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It would absolutely be the nail in the coffin for Iowa (God willing).

Biden is dropping like a rock in the betting markets.
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Ha! After Iowa mess Bloomberg announces he will double ad spending. LOL. oh man, this is getting good.
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It would absolutely be the nail in the coffin for Iowa (God willing).

Biden is dropping like a rock in the betting markets.
Stock market through the roof today, with rumors of Biden not doing well and Sanders most likely winning.
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I will vote for Bloomberg. I imagine he will be a good president. Everyone thinks highly of his mayoral tenure in NYC.

But I also find the thought depressing. That a billionaire can buy his way in — albeit a billionaire with an actual track record in politics, as opposed to Twump — and an earnest intellectual with a lifetime behind her like Warren feels to me like a sure fire loser in the general.

I guess that’s politics. That it’s about getting people to do what you want rather than being the smartest or most passionate or hardest working or whatever.

But goddamn. Trump v Bloomberg depresses me in a historical way.

But if that’s what it takes, that’s what it takes.
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Looks like Pete's gonna pull out Iowa. Unless he doesn't. In which case he won't.
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Looks like Pete's gonna pull out Iowa. Unless he doesn't. In which case he won't.
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i love how we're all supposed to be shocked and impressed that a safe boring midwestern white guy (barely) won a safe boring midwestern white state.
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