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Old 02-03-2020, 11:14 PM   #861
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The only thing better than this objectively insane caucus system is a caucus system getting wrecked by an app developed by Robby Mook.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:16 PM   #862
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oh GAWD.

Watching the reporter at Pete's headquarters. Waiting on pete to speak. People are filing onto the risers behind the podium. You know, the people that will be on camera.
About half are African American or Hispanic.
Come on Pete. LOL. Someone look for the Craigslist ad for seat fillers....
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Oh, snark
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:30 PM   #864
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Hey, ML - What say you?
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Time to tell Iowa to go fuck themselves
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I don't see the problem. You come in with who you want to vote for.
But remember, that doesn't matter.
If there aren't enough who agree with you, your preference means nothing
So you have to choose again.
While people are wandering around trying to convince each other to join them, sometimes it is helpful to make a lot of noise to distract in this process.
If you still aren't in a group big enough, then you can strike deals with other groups and have some of your people go with someone they really don't want, but you might get one delegate instead of zero, and they might get one too! Win!

If it's too close, then you can flip a coin.
And then even if you get the most votes, that still means you might not get enough delegates.

So, I really don't see how you could have any issue with this .
oh okay thanks that clears it up perfectly, obviously this process is 100% on the level.
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Old 02-04-2020, 12:21 AM   #867
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On a more serious note.

The delay in results gave me time to see the entrance poll numbers over and over again.

The one thing that stood out to me was the Pete scored highly in many areas. And surprisingly highly in areas I thought he would be weak.
One that stuck out was people that said being electable was their top priority, Pete actually beat Biden by one point. That is some strange stuff right there.
Also, in the maybe 6 or 7 areas that they covered on the news, when it came to groups that needed to "realign" I was pretty struck by the fact that Pete seemed to be the name that came up the most.

It looks like there are some signs that are pointing to a strong Pete showing.

I also saw something that Petes campaign has been tweeting out some results. Looks like he won some unexpected precincts.

would be nice to see some numbers. I like Pete. But god, I just can't see him beating Trump. I really can't. Polling at zero percent with black voters, while Trump polls around 9% is just about as bad a scenario as i can think of.
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Old 02-04-2020, 12:31 AM   #868
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Well,
Looks like I was onto something there. Just saw what Pete said from the stage.

"So we don’t know all the results, but we know by the time it’s all said and done, Iowa you have shocked the nation.”

So even without results, they know from the number of areas they were viable in, and the few results they do have, that something big happened for them.
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a campaign claiming great success before the returns are announced isn't anything new. wait for legit results.
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The tin foil hat brigade is going to be out in force in this one
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We still don't know who performed well and who didn't perform well. I would imagine this is something that will help the people that didn't perform as well more than the candidates that did perform well.
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It also helps Bloomberg...

I wish he was on the ballot next week in NH, just to see what would happen. Being a NH resident, I still don’t know who I am voting for.

And there’s my FYM cameo...
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I feel like this will foreshadow both the primary and general election

A giant clusterfuck where Bernie’s side claims RIGGED!!!! over every possible issue (real or imaginary)

Election officials having infrastructure issues with software or even polling stations themselves.

No one knowing the results
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Old 02-04-2020, 07:30 AM   #875
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We still don't know who performed well and who didn't perform well. I would imagine this is something that will help the people that didn't perform as well more than the candidates that did perform well.
This is an absolute joke. Whether Perez or Wasserman Shultz is running the DNC, they are as corrupt and inept as the day is long. Expect nothing less from the DNC.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-r...003700163.html

This seems a heck of a lot like an attempt to mask Biden’s poor performance.
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Or....

Is it more likely that a bunch of old folk don’t know how to use technology versus some god damn conspiracy against Bernie??

They have the paper trial and all the info. They done fucked up with the app.

The bigger issue is the low turnout. Iowa is saying the levels are at 2016 or slightly below.

There isn’t any excitement for anyone in the Dem camp but the number one issue is still ‘Beat Trump’
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US Politics XVIII: the illegitimate partisan sham thread

Iowa has had problems on both sides — remember when Romney won in 2012 and then they were like, no wait, it was Santorum? Yeah. So the DNC certainly looks stupid, but this is also specific to Iowa and to caucuses in general. End them. In 2020 it should be ballots on the 4th Tuesday of January in IA, NH, SC, and NV. That would actually look like the D party.

And say what you will about the DNC, they haven’t bent at the knee to the will to cover up to many crimes of a demented (that narional anthem video is absolutely insulting to everyone — I can’t wait for the outrage from the right, which is of course coming, right) — wannabe authoritarian.

Time to give Mayor Pete another look? It sounds like part of his (likely?) good showing was his youth appeal, which has basically been the Bernie argument. And he’s well-liked in the Midwest. Which is also the Bernie argument. Now it’s just a matter of convincing non-white voters. Which has also been on the Bernie to-do list.

I still don’t know who I’d vote for. I really don’t. But I think freshness will matter, and that winning is about telling a story that captures emotion. And given the fact that turnout was about the same as 2016, all those non-voters who would be moved by someone anti-establishment didn’t materialize, not in the way they did for Trump on the right.

It’s a bit worrisome. We need to be honest about that.
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For most people (and not just the Bernie fanatics) this will just not pass the smell test. These caucuses need to die a quick death.

“Mayor Cheat” is already trending.
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US Politics XVIII: the illegitimate partisan sham thread

https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/12...352650240?s=21

https://twitter.com/ericwilson/statu...988396033?s=21

This should kill two birds...

No more caucus (and Iowa going first)
No technology for counting votes, straight up paper ballot. Yes it’ll take longer. News organizations will be pissed they don’t have results right away, but when they do come in they’ll be accurate.

See Bernie’s camp is complaining about caucuses yet they were the ones after 2016 that pushed back against eliminating them.

Closed primaries please
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