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Old 02-01-2020, 08:43 AM   #741
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That's right, lock her up!

Wait, what?
They're definitely not helping the argument that the Bernie cult isn't similar to the Trump cult.
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Old 02-01-2020, 02:55 PM   #742
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I know I’m not the sharpest tool in the box

But I’m sticking to 40+ states to Trump if Bernie wins.

Socialism.
AOC + The Squad


Or

He wins 40+ states
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You didn’t indicate where in the bucket of safe dem states some 5-6 would fall. Clinton won like 20-22, and only 3-4 of them were tossups.
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Old 02-01-2020, 03:24 PM   #744
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That's right, lock her up!

Wait, what?
Ohhh, dear.

I think i'll have to reread Hillary's statement. As far as I thought from first read Hillary was talking about some Bernie supporters not all of them. That would imo make sense.

I like The Squad, but booing Hillary was off putting. Sharp criticism of her is fine. I didn't agree w everything HRC did, but I still like her a lot. She did some serious good!

As a few ppl pointed out Hillary IS one of the set of shoulders (along w Barbara Jordan, Shirely Chisholm ec) that Rashid is standing on.
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the dems could nominate a shit-flinging baboon and states like massachusetts and california and new york and washington and oregon are still not going to all flip en mass to vote for donald trump.
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so people who boo donald trump are cool and awesome, whereas people who boo hillary clinton are just like brainwashed trump cultists. okay then.
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Plus it’s not like Hillary Clinton didn’t quite literally wage a media war with everyone who opposed her in 2016. Be real with that. She’s lost it.
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the dems could nominate a shit-flinging baboon and states like massachusetts and california and new york and washington and oregon are still not going to all flip en mass to vote for donald trump.
Sure.

Those states don't win the election. The purple ones do. Where there are a lot of old white people.
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so people who boo donald trump are cool and awesome, whereas people who boo hillary clinton are just like brainwashed trump cultists. okay then.
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Plus it’s not like Hillary Clinton didn’t quite literally wage a media war with everyone who opposed her in 2016. Be real with that. She’s lost it.
Are you guys responding directly to me or to the twitter followers or both?

DAVE - the difference to me is we are supposed to be (more, than less) on the same side!
Which is what (imho) sharp criticism is for.

You can "boo" someone as awfully adversarial as Trump is.

L7 - I didn't pay much attention to her campaigning against her rivals. IF she has not targeted all Bernie supporters in this documentary, then that her comments are acceptable to me b/c some bernie supporters did go over the top.
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Sure.

Those states don't win the election. The purple ones do. Where there are a lot of old white people.
right, but i was only addressing the silly notion that trump can somehow win 40+ states.

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the difference to me is we are supposed to be (more, than less) on the same side!
hillary herself has made it patently clear that she doesn't think we're on the same side.
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Are you guys responding directly to me or to the twitter followers or both?

DAVE - the difference to me is we are supposed to be (more, than less) on the same side!
Which is what (imho) sharp criticism is for.

You can "boo" someone as awfully adversarial as Trump is.

L7 - I didn't pay much attention to her campaigning against her rivals. IF she has not targeted all Bernie supporters in this documentary, then that her comments are acceptable to me b/c some bernie supporters did go over the top.


I’m replying more indirectly to the general conversation regarding Sanders’ associates comments about Clinton.

Clinton basically said Sanders has no friends and nobody wants to work with him. She’s freaked out about James Comey at least a dozen times (he does suck). She’s currently being sued by Tulsi Gabbard for basically destroying her campaign (Tulsi also sucks but opposed Clinton in 2016 too by passing her superdelegate vote for Sanders). She’s on a bitter rampage against all of her enemies - consider all the losers of past... Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore... all stayed out of the light and otherwise just worked hard to endorse the next folks in the general, avoiding attacking individuals in the primaries.

It doesn’t matter if Rashid Tliab went over the top. Did Bernie? No. Did Clinton? Yes, over and over again. She needs to back off. I know 2016 was unfair, but she needs to back off.
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at's right, lock her up!

Wait, what?
Sigh.

Sanders seriously is his own worst enemy at times and he doesn't realize it.

First, the primary. Who does Sanders need to win over at this point? People 40 and over. He has the younger vote locked in, along with Warren. So what does he do? Sends out Michael Moore and the squad to lead boos for Clinton.
You know, boos coming from 20 somethings that weren't born yet when Hillary was busy working to help poor migrant worker communities, uncovering that Nixon Admin was not complying with anti-segregaton laws, creating the Office for Violence against Women, re-introducing the Equal Rights Amendment, passing the Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay Act, The Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Children's Insurance Program.
You know, all that Neo-liberal, oligarch, corporate shill, worse than Trump stuff that she was up to.
This type of bullshit isn't soon forgotten by the millions of people that voted for Clinton just 4 years ago, He would be wise to try and actually speak to those people as well.
I'm sure he will pull the ol' - well i wasn't there, so I can't control what they say" game that he employs every time.

Next, the General. What is the ONE thing that Trump is going to hit Sanders with over and over again if he is the nominee? Far lefty socialist. Sooooo why hand that to Trump on a platter? The one chance he would have to win in the general is to get those crossover Sanders/Trump independent voters, or the Obama/Trump voters (yes it's actually a thing)

Him having the AOC and squad out on the trial is the exact wrong move. Doesn't mean he changes any of his policy positions. Just means that there are certain games that he will have to play to be successful in a general against Trump. And this aint it.
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I would be very happy if Hillary didn’t speak about Bernie or 2016 the rest of this year.
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even if it's biden or bloomberg trump is still going to call them a "far lefty socialist" over and over and over.
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I’m replying more indirectly to the general conversation regarding Sanders’ associates comments about Clinton.

Clinton basically said Sanders has no friends and nobody wants to work with him. She’s freaked out about James Comey at least a dozen times (he does suck). She’s currently being sued by Tulsi Gabbard for basically destroying her campaign (Tulsi also sucks but opposed Clinton in 2016 too by passing her superdelegate vote for Sanders). She’s on a bitter rampage against all of her enemies - consider all the losers of past... Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore... all stayed out of the light and otherwise just worked hard to endorse the next folks in the general, avoiding attacking individuals in the primaries.

It doesn’t matter if Rashid Tliab went over the top. Did Bernie? No. Did Clinton? Yes, over and over again. She needs to back off. I know 2016 was unfair, but she needs to back off.
I think the thing that you have to consider is this. I ended up supporting Hillary in the end last year. I really like her, would have been a fantastic president. But here's the newsflash. Nobody gives a shit what she says now. I don't Doesn't change my view or vote on Sanders.
BUT Sanders is currently running. And this sort of thing does matter because it is now. It does nothing more than create division on the left. The exact strategy that Russian trolls used in 2016. And that legacy lives on it seems.

Know what the best thing for them, and everyone else to do? Not mention it at all. Ignore it. Ignore her. Focus on now and how not to recreate the same bullshit mistakes as last time.

We are talking about running against a white nationalist, pathalogical lying, pseudo-dictator who has now been given the green light to do whatever illegal and unethical things he wants in the next election.
I think we can and must, move past the hurt fee fees of a comment by Clinton.
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even if it's biden or bloomberg trump is still going to call them a "far lefty socialist" over and over and over.
Yeah, but one is believable and the other two aren't. Sure the cult will believe it of anyone that Trump says. But the persuadable voters will not.
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I think the thing that you have to consider is this. I ended up supporting Hillary in the end last year. I really like her, would have been a fantastic president. But here's the newsflash. Nobody gives a shit what she says now. I don't Doesn't change my view or vote on Sanders.

BUT Sanders is currently running. And this sort of thing does matter because it is now. It does nothing more than create division on the left. The exact strategy that Russian trolls used in 2016. And that legacy lives on it seems.



Know what the best thing for them, and everyone else to do? Not mention it at all. Ignore it. Ignore her. Focus on now and how not to recreate the same bullshit mistakes as last time.



We are talking about running against a white nationalist, pathalogical lying, pseudo-dictator who has now been given the green light to do whatever illegal and unethical things he wants in the next election.

I think we can and must, move past the hurt fee fees of a comment by Clinton.


Oh I don’t disagree with you at all. I agree entirely. Nobody cares what she’s saying now.

But the post in this thread was seemingly peeved about something Rashida Tlaib did. Not Bernie Sanders. There’s a fake outrage that Bernie’s campaign cares about this... that Bernie’s campaign is engaging Clinton. It’s not true. Rashida Tlaib did. In a more traditional candidate, I would agree that the candidate muzzles his or her mouth pieces. Right here? False outrage. Tlaib’s sentiment or direction is not reflected by the sanders campaign.
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Oh I don’t disagree with you at all. I agree entirely. Nobody cares what she’s saying now.

But the post in this thread was seemingly peeved about something Rashida Tlaib did. Not Bernie Sanders. There’s a fake outrage that Bernie’s campaign cares about this... that Bernie’s campaign is engaging Clinton. It’s not true. Rashida Tlaib did. In a more traditional candidate, I would agree that the candidate muzzles his or her mouth pieces. Right here? False outrage. Tlaib’s sentiment or direction is not reflected by the sanders campaign.
I think as the leader of his campaign, he needs to be clear with his surrogates on what is off limits and how to appeal to the largest swath of primary voters he can. In the end, it's his name on the ballot. It's a Bernie Sanders event in all intents and purposes that these people were attending even if he wasn't there.
Think how refreshing it would be if he came out and said, you know. There was a lot of division sown in the last election. A lot of fake and real infighting that broke down the unifying movement that we need to win. So I want to make it clear that voters of every stripe, of every party affiliation, especially those within the Democratic party are welcome and important to this campaign.

It's a lot better than, "i can't control what my supporters/surrogates say"...
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Well to that, all I can say is that apologists apparently appear weak, and regardless of how much I agree, those people keep losing.
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But the post in this thread was seemingly peeved about something Rashida Tlaib did. Not Bernie Sanders. There’s a fake outrage that Bernie’s campaign cares about this... that Bernie’s campaign is engaging Clinton. It’s not true. Rashida Tlaib did. In a more traditional candidate, I would agree that the candidate muzzles his or her mouth pieces. Right here? False outrage. Tlaib’s sentiment or direction is not reflected by the sanders campaign.
but this is totally the same thing as when donald trump made up a fake story about uranium and corruption and repeated it constantly in the media and on twitter and then stood there grinning at his rallies as his supporters screamed "lock her up" over and over.
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