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Old 01-27-2020, 01:24 PM   #561
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Bernie lost to Clinton by millions of votes.

Yet we're supposed to believe he beats Trump on the big stage?

There's a reason the GOP want Bernie or Warren, and why Trump has broken laws to take Biden down.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:32 PM   #562
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Ken Starr, who impeached someone for lying about a bummer, is attacking the idea of impeachment.

This is where we are.
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Bernie lost to Clinton by millions of votes.

Yet we're supposed to believe he beats Trump on the big stage?

There's a reason the GOP want Bernie or Warren, and why Trump has broken laws to take Biden down.
lol apparently you really took what hillary said last week as the infallible word of god. bernie is now suddenly so bad and dangerous and such an inevitably doomed loser (as he's rising in all the polls exactly one week before votes start being cast) that we need to start taking advice from republicans about who the democrats should nominate.
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Old 01-27-2020, 02:06 PM   #565
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lol apparently you really took what hillary said last week as the infallible word of god. bernie is now suddenly so bad and dangerous and such an inevitably doomed loser (as he's rising in all the polls exactly one week before votes start being cast) that we need to start taking advice from republicans about who the democrats should nominate.
I don't think he's bad. I honestly don't know enough about him. I support a majority of his policies. I'll vote for him in the general election without thinking twice. I consider the well being of others when I vote, do you think most Americans vote that way? Or with their wallet?

Frum's point in the article is that Bernie has never been challenged. Ever. He doesn't handle criticism well. Trump and the GOP don't play by any rules.

He'll hammer Bernie every which way.

Do you honestly believe Bernie has it in him to handle it?
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i honestly believe that bernie has it in him to handle it far better than any of the other candidates that actually have a chance of winning.

biden on a debate stage next to trump is going to look like a doddering old man completely out of his depth. trump is going to talk nonsense circles around him about hunter biden and ukraine and biden is going to be on a confused defensive 100% of the time on that bullshit in every debate and we all know it.

warren seems like she could take the heat but i don't know if she has it in her to lean in to dishing it back (which is going to be necessary).

mayor pete is an empty shirt who will just respond in whatever way he thinks his audience wants to hear on any given day but his odds of being on that stage are slim to none anyways.

at least with bernie you know he's going to counter-attack with both barrels.
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Less than 48 hours after Bolton turned in the manuscript where he confirms the Ukraine quid pro quo Trumpykins kills Soleimani.
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Less than 48 hours after Bolton turned in the manuscript where he confirms the Ukraine quid pro quo Trumpykins kills Soleimani.


We really should be talking about this more.
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i honestly believe that bernie has it in him to handle it far better than any of the other candidates that actually have a chance of winning.

biden on a debate stage next to trump is going to look like a doddering old man completely out of his depth. trump is going to talk nonsense circles around him about hunter biden and ukraine and biden is going to be on a confused defensive 100% of the time on that bullshit in every debate and we all know it.

warren seems like she could take the heat but i don't know if she has it in her to lean in to dishing it back (which is going to be necessary).

mayor pete is an empty shirt who will just respond in whatever way he thinks his audience wants to hear on any given day but his odds of being on that stage are slim to none anyways.

at least with bernie you know he's going to counter-attack with both barrels.
I hope he can. I am basing this off of my own perception of him. I tend to agree with Frum's article knowing full well his background. It could be fear mongering by an old guard.

Bernie had a heart attack just a few months ago. When it was Clinton being faint the whole world thought she was going to die. There's definitely a double standard and it's fair to question whether he can hold up when the spotlight is completely on him.

It doesnt really matter who wins the Dem side, they are going to face the worst smearing, barbaric campaign probably ever thrown.

I don't even know if Biden can handle it at his age. How can you fight against someone who doesn't believe in anything but holding on to power?
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bernie is my preferred candidate but yeah his age does concern me, as it does with all four of the leading candidates. frankly three of them are too old and the other one is too young. the running mate choice is going to be extra important for whoever wins.
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No such thing as too young in this case, just inexperienced.
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Sounds like Mittens will vote for witnesses and that there might be others turning after the Bolton reports.

Also, Moscow Mitch is pissed that the WH didn't let him in on the fact that this would all come out. I guess "total coordination with the WH" is only a one way street.
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Sounds like Mittens will vote for witnesses and that there might be others turning after the Bolton reports.
Ooh, really?

Good news if that's the case .
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Ooh, really?



Good news if that's the case .
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Mitt is just as in this for himself as Donald Trump is.
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Mitt is just as in this for himself as Donald Trump is.
True but where he could hurt the GOP is that Mitt doesn't "need" this job. He might be swayed less by the fear if losing Trump's base than others. Plus, Utah is a very religious state and don't like their Presidents paying off porn stars.
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Sounds like Mittens will vote for witnesses and that there might be others turning after the Bolton reports.

Also, Moscow Mitch is pissed that the WH didn't let him in on the fact that this would all come out. I guess "total coordination with the WH" is only a one way street.


Fucking turn on him, GOP, you trash moral cowards. Seriously. I get that maybe they fear their voters in a primary, but for god’s sake, it’s so egregious at this point.
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True but where he could hurt the GOP is that Mitt doesn't "need" this job. He might be swayed less by the fear if losing Trump's base than others. Plus, Utah is a very religious state and don't like their Presidents paying off porn stars.


My point is... don’t be surprised if mitt is happy to be embarrassing Donald but in the end he “sees all the evidence and nothing is there.”

My money says Mittens is getting back at Donald for the Secretary of State fiasco.
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My point is... don’t be surprised if mitt is happy to be embarrassing Donald but in the end he “sees all the evidence and nothing is there.”
Oh yeah. Agreed.
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True but where he could hurt the GOP is that Mitt doesn't "need" this job. He might be swayed less by the fear if losing Trump's base than others. Plus, Utah is a very religious state and don't like their Presidents paying off porn stars.


Romney is way, way more popular than Trump in UT.
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