Gotta agree with Mikal here. Pelosi has to walk an extremely fine line. She could put forward some sort of condemnation of their action in the house or whatever, but having people arrested would feed right into their hands. They are already calling it an unconstitutional power grab. If there were arrests. Dear god. I think some of the independents out there that are now on board with impeachment would be fooled by this and think, wow, arresting people for wanting more transparency??!! This is outrageous!
I had that same reaction at first - arrest these idiots - eject them, censure them, whatever. But I think that they already looked incredibly foolish and childish and didn't sway anyone on the fence with their stunt.
I was also angry at first that and they didn't punish those republcans, but glad NP held back. They would have been regarded as martyrs on some level.
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And then you see his supporters post insane things like "I'd rather have 1 year of Bernie than 8 years of Warren" (how divorced from reality do you have to be?). Do they not see Donald fucking Trump on TV every day, engaging in 10 different sorts of criminality before noon on the regular?
When i hear that kind of talk i just want to scream. I mean isn't one major tenebt of being a progressive or democratic socialist is being compassionate in actionq, esp towards various marginalized groups (even as a majority- ie women) and increasing fairness, justice, bettering basic needs -shelter, food, healthcare up to a basic good level.
Which will
further decrease if Trump stays in office till the election and then wins (shudders) in 2020.
There is only one candidate who I believe could build the sort of movement that could actually enact change. Electoral politics cannot get everything done on their own. And only Sanders could actually rally laborers, young people, and non-voters to make real change possible.
I wish there was a younger candidate without health concerns running who had the same vision. There isn't.
So, thrn, you're willing to sacrifice more people to food insecurity, homelessness, illness, death because no one else "fits" your Bernie criteria?
If you continue to let people break the law and face no consequences, eventually you’ll be the one locked up because you have no more power
Stop worrying about optics and follow the law. His base is going to scream and shoot people regardless.
Yeah, probably. Definitely agree with your opening sentence.
Interesting.
This scares me too, but at some point people have to take a stand. Warren's policies would do more for the minority communities than another GOP term.
Wouldn't you want to get a white supremacist out of the government over having your #1 pick win the primary and challenge?
I think Bernie is shady as fuck, even with agreeing with his overall message. But if he's on the ticket in 2020, there's not an ounce of hesitation. He's my President.
I'll worry about whatever after he's in office, but I know there's no possible way things could be worse than they're going now
Pretty much agree here. I like Bernie. Why do you think he's "shady"?
no one is certain. people are worried.
consider all that this president has done, all that he has destroyed, all the crimes he has committed.
still, 40% of the country won't hear any different.
it has to concern people.
i really, really hope you're right, and that the usual calculus of political science applies this time.
I tpthink it's closer to 35% - 30%. I think it
used to be 40%.
It's worth noting (again) that black voters, and even more specifically, black women have voted in BASICALLY IDENTICAL RATES since the Clinton era. Every election. No matter who the D nominee was.
This is a very reliable voting group and Donald Trump has absolutely zero crossover appeal to them. Currently he's at a -80 or so net approval rating.
I understand the concern at the primary level - if Warren wants to win, she needs to do better with the minority vote. But it's completely and totally unrelated to the general election. Black voters have simply not deviated from standard rates of voting in the last 20-30 years...
Black women are pretty much the backbone of the Democratic Party.
But lets here it for some white women who always voted Democratic, too- as far as the Presidential race- like me.
I only volunteered 2xs for Republicans in local, and Senate races - and these were
genuine Liberal Republicans back in ? 69, and 70 because the Democratic candidates were
so conservative on social issues.
