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Old 11-23-2019, 11:28 PM   #801
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Yes, everyone knew that the Senate was going to vote against it. And everyone knew that, even if it was technically perjury in a civil suit, it was political revenge and in no way whatsoever anything to do with the functioning of the executive office or national security. That’s why the GOP was punished in the ‘98 midterms — not because impeachment necessarily crates a backlash, but because everyone knew the Clinton impeachment had no bearing on actual governance.
Yup.

Lying about sex... (think of all those holier-than-thou Repuglicans!) The only person he had to answer to was Hillary.
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:32 PM   #802
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Fresh off the Net... from the NYT

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New Documents Reveal Details of Pompeo’s Role in Ukraine Affair

Edward Wong and Kenneth P. Vogel 1 hr ago

WASHINGTON — Internal State Department emails and documents released late Friday further implicate Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in a campaign orchestrated this year by President Trump and his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to pressure Ukraine for political favors.

Mike Pompeo wearing a suit and tie: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and President Trump last month at the White House.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and President Trump last month at the White House.
The emails indicate that Mr. Pompeo spoke at least twice by telephone with Mr. Giuliani in March as Mr. Giuliani was urging Ukraine to investigate Mr. Trump’s rivals, and trying to oust a respected American ambassador to Ukraine, Marie L. Yovanovitch, who had been promoting anticorruption efforts in the country. Mr. Pompeo ordered Ms. Yovanovitch’s removal the next month. The first call between Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Pompeo was arranged with guidance from Mr. Trump’s personal assistant, the documents suggest.

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The documents also show that the State Department sent members of Congress a deliberately misleading reply about Ms. Yovanovitch’s departure after they asked about pressure on her. As part of the effort to oust her, Mr. Giuliani and his associates encouraged news outlets favorable to the president to publicize unsubstantiated claims about Ms. Yovanovitch’s disloyalty to Mr. Trump.

The documents, and recent congressional testimonies in the impeachment inquiry, tie Mr. Pompeo closely to efforts by Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani to persuade the Ukrainian government to announce investigations that could help Mr. Trump politically. Those include investigations into the family of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Democratic presidential candidate, and claims that Ukrainian officials worked to undermine Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign. As Mr. Trump sought those investigations, he and his team held up $391 million of military aid critical to Ukraine — which is in a grinding war against Russian-backed separatists — and a coveted White House meeting.

The release of the documents, obtained by a liberal watchdog group that had filed a public records request, came as Mr. Pompeo refused to voluntarily hand over State Department documents about Ukraine to the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry. Representative Adam B. Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said on Wednesday that Mr. Pompeo was engaged in a Watergate-style “obstruction of this investigation.”

The State Department released the documents in response to a lawsuit brought by the liberal watchdog, American Oversight, whose founders include lawyers who worked in the Obama administration.

Austin Evers, the executive director of the group, said that the documents revealed “a clear paper trail from Rudy Giuliani to the Oval Office to Secretary Pompeo to facilitate Giuliani’s smear campaign against a U.S. ambassador.”

Mr. Pompeo has refused to answer questions about his role in the Ukraine affair. The State Department did not reply on Saturday to detailed questions about the documents or witness testimonies in the inquiry that put the secretary at the center of the matter.

The documents bolstered testimony delivered Wednesday by Gordon D. Sondland, the American ambassador to the European Union and a player in the pressure campaign on Ukraine. He told lawmakers in a public hearing that Mr. Pompeo had full knowledge of the campaign and even approved certain hard-line tactics. Mr. Pompeo and his top aides “knew what we were doing, and why,” Mr. Sondland said, noting that “everyone was in the loop.” He recited email exchanges he had had with Mr. Pompeo on the pressure campaign.
Drag this nasty pompous ass into the hearing room, now!
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Yes, everyone knew that the Senate was going to vote against it. And everyone knew that, even if it was technically perjury in a civil suit, it was political revenge and in no way whatsoever anything to do with the functioning of the executive office or national security. That’s why the GOP was punished in the ‘98 midterms — not because impeachment necessarily crates a backlash, but because everyone knew the Clinton impeachment had no bearing on actual governance.


And this is my only hope with this process. It’s going to continue to expose the president and his men to what they are, a crime family

It also exposes the GOP to what they are, a cult.

My parents and some of my friends back home were against impeachment because why do it if he’s not going to be removed ?

Because it’s the right thing to do. We have to do this process. We have to show younger generations right and wrong, and the world what this country means (besides an idea)

Let the corruption come out, and in the end maybe some values or true character wins. Look at what these women and war veteran have shown this country.

Look at what these old white politicians have shown.

I’m grateful of this experience to see there are still people with a moral compass in our government. While the Prez and congress get all the publicity, it’s these civil workers who keep us afloat and safe
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I'm not in favor of 77 year olds running for president, but I am in favor of the first time Mike Bloomberg has a press conference where he speaks Spanish.

It's a treat.
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Nice piece of news to kick off the holiday week!!


https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/1...331022336?s=21
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best gif - angela lansberry (?Murder She Wrote) eating popcorn

best cartoon - "In Soviet Russia toaster takes picture of you"

And i guess that they still do that in Putin's Russia
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Oh, and YAY - RGB is out of the hospital and doing well. (got a round of anti- biotics)


Everybody say ... "Phew!" :wipesbrow:
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Nice piece of news to kick off the holiday week!!


https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/1...331022336?s=21
Pics or it didn't happen
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lying liar sarah sanders says that it hurts her when people call her a liar. the person who admitted under oath that she made up lies really doesn't like it when people say that she lies. we should probably leave sarah "liar" sanders alone and stop constantly reminding people that she made up lies and told them to the media literally every single day for the benefit of a racist sexual predator, and earned a six figure salary while doing it.

after all, someone said some mean things to her once while she was eating tacos. this liar has clearly been through hell. hasn't she suffered enough for all the lies she made up? sad!
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lying liar sarah sanders says that it hurts her when people call her a liar. the person who admitted under oath that she made up lies really doesn't like it when people say that she lies. we should probably leave sarah "liar" sanders alone and stop constantly reminding people that she made up lies and told them to the media literally every single day for the benefit of a racist sexual predator, and earned a six figure salary while doing it.

after all, someone said some mean things to her once while she was eating tacos. this liar has clearly been through hell. hasn't she suffered enough for all the lies she made up? sad!
Yeah, but it's the rest of us who need to be more civil you know.
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Always the victim with these people. But it works. The media then focuses on their baseless claims and people do believe us liberals are being too mean or too elite.

I mean how can you take her seriously? Claims she doesn't like being called a liar, then states that Trump reads more than any other person she's known.

I guess it could be true, which would say more about the people she knows than the volume of reading being done
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I mean how can you take her seriously? Claims she doesn't like being called a liar, then states that Trump reads more than any other person she's known.
This is totally believable given that he's on Twitter like 18 hours a day while the rest of us have to work for a living.
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He's keeping us safe!!!

Reports are out too that he's doing most of his "work" from the private quarters of the White House. Nothing to do with his health issues....nothing to see here at all!!
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At this point it's becoming obvious that the Russians (some of whom are neck-deep in with Putin) are singing like canaries about their nefarious activities with Giuliani, Trump himself, Nunes, etc, totally voluntarily. To Congress, to the NY Times, and anyone else willing to listen. Curious implications.
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Indeed!

Haven't heard the most up to date yet. But i will

Unbelievable!
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lying liar sarah sanders says that it hurts her when people call her a liar. the person who admitted under oath that she made up lies really doesn't like it when people say that she lies. we should probably leave sarah "liar" sanders alone and stop constantly reminding people that she made up lies and told them to the media literally every single day for the benefit of a racist sexual predator, and earned a six figure salary while doing it.

after all, someone said some mean things to her once while she was eating tacos. this liar has clearly been through hell. hasn't she suffered enough for all the lies she made up? sad!
Too sad!

Huh? I missed her under testimony about admitting lying.

Ok found it. So looooong ago! (May :sigh) 1Trump year = ?3 regular years.
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McGhan must testify.

Lots of OOJ slam dunks coming our way.
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Oh, the ruling came down?!

Ok just saw WSJ headline on that...
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In the meantime...


I'll take your McGhan and raise you one Ghouliani.

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Federal Subpoenas Seek Information on Giuliani's Consulting Business
Rebecca Davis O’Brien, Rebecca Ballhaus, Shelby Holliday 2 hrs ago


Subpoenas issued to people with ties to President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and his associates indicate a broad federal investigation into possible money laundering, obstruction of justice and campaign-finance violations, and suggest that prosecutors are looking closely at the work of Mr. Giuliani himself,
according to people familiar with the matter.


Ok everybody - raise your middle fingers and sing with me!




Honest to goodness this stuff gets so awful at times - i just almost get loopy and have break out in song to get rebalanced.
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Jus t hearing this now

Hmmm.....

Trump may be beginning to toss Rudi under the bus.h

He said Rudi had other clients re Russia. So Rudy may have hatched the bribery stuff (in stead of drumph himself)
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