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This is interesting and of course - we are all being lied to again.

The President is driven to Walter Reed, unannounced in advance, at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon.
He's not due for his annual physical until next February.
All previous physicals were announced publicly in advance.

I'm guessing chest pains or he accidentally told the truth and his body had a horrible reaction

In all seriousness. This is bullshit. Something happened and sure as hell wasn't doing a "part of his annual physical" which in all takes about 30 minutes.
 
Sorry I don’t have all day to spend on here, or worry about my post count.



I respond to what I think is relevant. And again, tell me where I was wrong instead of complaining that I don’t post enough.



Sorry if you felt neglected Beavis



[emoji23] I’ve never once in all my time here ever mentioned or even paid attention to post count. I have to question your comprehension skills if you think I was complaining you don’t post enough.

There have been multiple posts showing you wrong and simplistic in your response, but you conveniently looked over them as not relevant.
 
Well, i'm no professional pollster, but looking at the percentage returns in from each parrish - and what's remaining

JOHN BELL EDWARDS IS GOING TO WIN RE-ELECTION IN LOUISIANA!
putting one big turd on Trumps already shitty week.

woooo hoooo!!!
 
Once again: good job, Democrats.

I’m ok with culturally conservative Democrats in culturally conservative states — because, at a minimum, they will expand Medicare and work to improve the ACA. If this approach helps win in red states and the Senate can be tipped, then it must be done.

Because GOP Senators aren’t going to vote for a Democrat SCOTUS nominee for a long, long time.

And it seems like Edwards inherited a $2bn deficit from Bobby Jindal when he took office. So, as ever, let’s forget the nonsense of red states being better run than blue states.
 
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And just to reiterate. The suburbs were again a major factor, as was urban centers. Orleans parrish went over 90%, yes, 90 for Edwards.

This election boiled down primarily to one candidate destroying ACA/ Medicaid expansion and one supporting it.

Also, Repub supermajority was stopped in state legislature, which means redistricting not be totally controlled by them.

Many lessons to take away from this for Dems, yet again. Great night.
 
I'm guessing at Gardner, McSally, Tillis, Collins, Ernst and Perdue all shit their pants a little bit tonight.
Anyone ready to jump off the sinking ship?
 
As usual, as I always say to you, tell me where I'm wrong. And you never can.



Simple facts don't always mean simple minded.
Man your dumb ass has been told where you're wrong a million times. You ignore those posts or refute them with some talking points from InfoWars or Candace Owens.

You're either a moron or a troll. Or both. Possibly both.

Be gone.

(This is where you'll again respond with some dumb shit about not being able to prove where you're wrong because liberals live in crime infested shit holes or some idiotic bullshit like that... while again ignoring all the other posts countering your arguments, including LN7's post in the gun thread that you continue to ignore because you can't make a logical response to it, and/or haven't been given your conservative independent talking points. heck, we may even get a drive by posting from the guy who hung out in the thread with the outed white nationalists. Hooray)
 
Man your dumb ass has been told where you're wrong a million times. You ignore those posts or refute them with some talking points from InfoWars or Candace Owens.

You're either a moron or a troll. Or both. Possibly both.

Be gone.

(This is where you'll again respond with some dumb shit about not being able to prove where you're wrong because liberals live in crime infested shit holes or some idiotic bullshit like that... while again ignoring all the other posts countering your arguments, including LN7's post in the gun thread that you continue to ignore because you can't make a logical response to it, and/or haven't been given your conservative independent talking points. heck, we may even get a drive by posting from the guy who hung out in the thread with the outed white nationalists. Hooray)

Dude sit down, i read all of the posts, even the long rambling ones that try hard to make a point but never do. You straddle the fence and try to keep your liberal credit up in spite if the fact that you're pretty much a conservative fiscally because of your high income, and you try to defend New York even though you said you left because they tax the crap out of you.

Let me hurry up and respond to LN7 on the other thread before you wet the bed
 
Super whiney interview with Ron Johnson this morning on MTP. Basically, poor Donald has been bullied by the Democrats since he farted (edit: should be started, but too funny a typo to change), and now impeachment is tearing apart the country! He was duly elected and you guys never gave the new kid a chance! Stop impeachment now because it’s mean and divisive!

Big strategy shift. They know they’re fucked in the house and now it’s about working out a way to not vote to convict and save face. They will vote to acquit for the good of the country, etc.
 
Dude sit down, i read all of the posts, even the long rambling ones that try hard to make a point but never do. You straddle the fence and try to keep your liberal credit up in spite if the fact that you're pretty much a conservative fiscally because of your high income, and you try to defend New York even though you said you left because they tax the crap out of you.



Let me hurry up and respond to LN7 on the other thread before you wet the bed

Ok troll.

Tax had dick to do with my moving. And yea, no shit. I used to be a republican. I have never once denied that. Most former moderate republicans consider themselves democrats now - ya know, the whole unabashed racism and unthinkable corruption thing.
 
Oh definitely. The state vs federal tension is a good one. Laboratories of democracy and whatnot.

The problem is that I don’t believe the citizens of Mississippi are less deserving of, say, voting rights and eduction than citizens of Massachusetts, even if the people ofa Mississippi seem to think so.
This is mostly true - though bc i'm older and han most of you "States Rights" has been almost always in my younger years been tossed out as a code phrase to racists. so sometimes I'm on autopilot. One of the most hideous examples is when Reagan went to (now I didn't know this till way later) to Philidelphia, Mississippi -his first stop on the campaign talking about "States Rights". What would be so awful, startlingly about that? That was where the 3 voting rights workers - Warner, Chaney and Goodman were slaughtered by raging white racists.

The fact that different States are trying out things close to Medicare for all" which if it finally works will hopefully seep over into more and more States, etc (like how Canada got their current healthcare systm eventually when one ?Province started it)

Let us not gloss over the confirmation of something we've already known, that the person setting immigration policy in the White House is unbelievably racist

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...erial-with-breitbart-during-the-2016-election
Beyond disgusting.

Candace Owens is a businesswoman/grifter — she knows there’s an audience out there who don’t want to believe that the GOP has been centered by racism since the Civil Rights Act, and she’s able to sell them that fantasy.

Maybe she believes it. Who knows? But she knows who wants to hear/buy what she has to say, and it isn’t other black people.
Basically LBJ said to the effect "there goes The South" when he signed the Civil Rights Act.

how propaganda works

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Absolutely and thank for the comparison! I haven't been able to get TV for a while - so i've missed much of the visuals ( i eventually get to YT, and occasionally the newspapers).

Oh, and John Dean/Watergate on Stephanopoulos 's program today said that a lot of federal cases used double and triple hearsay (along with other info) and won.

Of course he did :rolleyes:. Shut the fuck up
You got a "winner!" there, ml ! :hug: yeeeesh.

It's very concerning to me how many people are perfectly fine with a right wing military coup in Bolivia, or at least complacent enough to go "Well, that sure seems complicated!"
yep, don't let anyone try to deny that this is a military coup. there were popular protests about the elections, yes, but morales agreed to have the OAS audit the results and when the international auditors decided the election results couldn't be verified, morales agreed to hold new elections. this met all the main demands of the protestors. what happened after that was the far-right and military seeing an opening and suddenly putting forth the notion that new elections weren't good enough and morales' resignation was the only option.

the fact that the lady who assumed the presidency is the leader of the main far-right party and not morales' opponent in the election, and that aside from her own party the senate chamber was nearly empty when she took the oath of office should show that this is not the result of the popular will.
Thank you DAVE C explain the processes that Morales offered to go through, i had missed that while listening to the radio since i'm not always close attention all the time.

I'm basically listening to public radio. When i heard that the Indigenous peoples shouldn't be allowed in the cities - stay in the countryside; i was like. "wtf!?" . You can't tell people that!
I'm not sure i actually heard this later output about "paganism", satanic bs! Yikes!

As for Morales- did he have the right to 4 terms?Did he jerry rig that? Wouldn't that be wrong? Im thinking our 2 consecutive terms. If he did - couldn't he had had some one else in his party run in his place to preserve the progress he had made?

Truthfully my guess is that 99 % of the American public (as well as Canadian, Australian, etc) has no clue about Bolivia, its history, its politics or what's happening there now. And I only know about it to a somewhat greater degree because I have a Bolivian brother-in-law. So to that end, it's better to hear no opinions than totally uninformed ones.
I hadn't said anything 1) bc i don't have automatic wifi acess thus big limitations on time, 2) i'm paying more time and commentary on our country's dangerous predicament right now!
 
Yovanovitch testimony. Truly highlights what an absolute piece of shit, pile of human waste Trump is. And just waiting for all the little piles of human waste that will soon try and go after this patriot in the next couple hours. Stomach turning.
Utter trash bastard! And tweeting like he did during the hearing. Timing in thus case makes the difference between "free soeech" and intimidation!!

Roger Stone guilty.

So many witches in this witch hunt.
Having that break durung the hearings was fabulous!
This is interesting and of course - we are all being lied to again.

The President is driven to Walter Reed, unannounced in advance, at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon.
He's not due for his annual physical until next February.
All previous physicals were announced publicly in advance.

I'm guessing chest pains or he accidentally told the truth and his body had a horrible reaction

In all seriousness. This is bullshit. Something happened and sure as hell wasn't doing a "part of his annual physical" which in all takes about 30 minutes.
Holy shit
2 minutes later, - it is indeed for chest pains
I was going to say hmmm :hmm: to your first post...

But wtf??? I didn't anything about this! Too many hamberders all at once?
Bring in Lev for questioning now! This is some interesting new reporting

https://twitter.com/VickyPJWard/status/1195528462846636032
Woaaah! The day after GHWB 's funeral.

No. It's working in a ton of countries, including mine.

It makes logical sense that if you take the funds from paying into countless private for profit insurance brokers and pay it into one government pool, that costs will decrease and gains will increase. Not sure why that's so difficult to comprehend, other than "MY INDIVIDUALISM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE COLLECTIVE GOOD." Bunch of idiots. It's so frustrating, watching you guys trying to figure this out, being almost a century behind.

Further, 98% of you have no idea what socialism even means, equating it with communism or corrupt fascism (which is what you are under right now), but as long as FOX News tells you socialism is bad, then you all take that as the gospel truth. Good lord. Talk about dumb.

My bud! :hug: maybe drop in our old hang out (it's trudging along ) and tell me how u r doing? Hope things are going well for u and family!

Well i did equate socialism = communism waaaay back in the day - 60's, 70's . But then i learned more.

For some it's the ultra individualism thing. But there's very much a group.of people who think certain people don't deserve health care. Back in ?2008 at a mostly Repuglican Town Hall when some quite ill man talked about his health care problems. Some one yelled "let him die" and a lot if the crowd picked it up. :mad:

If you're poor you deserved it (wealth = good morals) , racism kicks in, too.

Oh, and VP (and DAVE C, dabiggest) - they're running ads down here about the LONG WAIT Lists in Canada! Probably leaving out major pertinent facts along the way. :gah:
 
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Dan Rather called Trump's followers a cult...

including Mitch McConnell.

Too bad such words don't really carry the weight anymore like when Cronkite talked about Vietnam after his visit there during the war. :sigh:

Annnnd from TWSJ

Sondland kept Trump Officials appraised of the Ukrainian push
 
Fuckin' A

I hope teachers strike over this. Or parents raise some holy hell.

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/loc...rs-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion

Yeeeeeeeeeeah, no. That is some bullshit right there.

I second your hope about people rising up and fighting this. I sure as hell would.

Dan Rather called Trump's followers a cult...

including Mitch McConnell.

He ain't wrong. We're getting a firsthand look at what having a cult leader as president is like.
 
So let's see

70% of Americans now feel that Trump's handling of Ukraine was wrong.

51% approve of impeachment and removal.

The Senate is taking up the IRS whistleblower complaint.

The House is investigating whether or not Trump lied in his written deposition in the Mueller Report - thanks to good ole' Roger Stone being convicted on all counts.



Are we finally reaching a breaking point?
 
Right-wing pundit and recently announced Trump advisory board member Clarence Mason Weaver has said that women aren’t equal to men and that they damaged society when they won the “‘right’ to leave the home and go to work.” He has claimed that women who report sexual misconduct at work are the reason “why we don’t want to be around you in a business.” And he has told women that they should carry themselves as “handmaidens” and “be submissive.”

The Trump campaign recently launched its “Black Voices for Trump” coalition, with President Donald Trump speaking at a rally in Atlanta, GA. The campaign also announced the members of its advisory board, which includes numerous right-wing media personalities such as radio host Herman Cain, Fox Nation hosts Diamond and Silk, and Fox News contributors Deneen Borelli and Alveda King.

The campaign lists the involvement of Clarence Mason Weaver (who usually goes by Mason Weaver in media appearances and also lists his name as Clarence A. Mason on his website), a right-wing author and purported motivational speaker. Weaver has made numerous appearances on Fox Business and Fox News over the years, including on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Fox & Friends, and Trish Regan Primetime. He attended the coalition launch in Georgia and posted on Facebook that he got to “meet the President [and] shake his hand again.” He also met Lara Trump.

One of Weaver’s philosophies is that “men and women are not equal.” In a recent video about the subject, Weaver said that women shouldn’t be “queens” because “we do not look for queens. Queens is hard work. We look for handmaidens, sweetheart. We look for a helpmate out here, girl. And no king is looking to share their kingdom.” He later suggested that if a woman isn’t as strong as he is, she should “be quiet, and be humble, and be submissive.”

His views on male and female contributions to society are summed up in a January video description, which reads: “Men have created, maintained and developed EVERY social improvement in our history. The current attack on masculinity, led by feminist and their weak beta male enablers, are attacking the very men because they hate our society. It is time for aggressive masculine men, and the women who love us, to answer.”

On his website, he wrote: “Women have won their ‘right’ to leave the home and go to work, serve in combat (no draft), serve in government and crack nearly every domain once controlled by men. So, ladies, how are your children doing? Your lack of family time, raising and nurturing them has done great harm to them.”

In a video, Weaver criticized the idea that men like educated women, stating: “We don’t care how great you are at work as the co-worker. We don’t care what kind of career you have or what your college degrees are. That’s not why we marry you, woman -- that’s not why we -- we don’t care.”

Similarly, in a May video criticizing women for allegedly being “so masculine,” Weaver said: “We don’t care how smart you are. We don’t care how strong you are. We don’t care. It is masculine. You look like a dude. You talk like a dude.”

He’s also pointed to women reporting sexual misconduct in the workplace as a reason they shouldn’t be there.

Weaver said in a December 2017 video that “women in the workplace use their sexuality, taking advantage of their sexuality, taking the offers of sexuality, and these women will come out against you guys.”

He then complained that a woman who is competing against a male for a promotion can tell a manager, “So-and-so molested me, so-and-so made a comment. A comment now. Folks, you can’t even say the wrong thing, hurt their feelings. And that guy will not get the promotion and no one will know why. Women are setting themselves up to be so fragile that we can’t even blow on them without them coming against us. So who wants to hire a female now?”

He later added: “Ladies, you do not want your husband working with a female in your office nowadays because 30 years later you may have a problem.” (Overall, false reports about sexual misconduct are actually very rare.)

In a similar video, he said: “We’re not predators. We’re not rapists. But we’re aggressive people. Do we make you nervous because we’re strong and aggressive? We’re loud. I’m loud but not mean. Somebody frighten some woman and 20 years from now she’ll say, ‘Mason made me feel uncomfortable with him.’ That's why we don’t want to deal with you. That’s why we don’t want to be around you in a business. That’s why we really can’t trust ourselves to be with you because you have the power of the accusation.”

After the Access Hollywood tape in which Trump says “grab them by the pussy” was released, Weaver said of Republican critics of Trump: “Every man talks like that, every man thinks like that, and stop quivering behind the skirts of the feminists.”

as gzus intended
 

well, i think it depends what we mean by "breaking point"

breaking point meaning, suddenly a majority of repub congress and senate say that Trump must be removed, then probably not, at this point.
BUT,
By breaking point we mean, there are several other points of inquiry that could reveal something that could be irrefutable by anyone, than maybe.

If something damning revealed by IRS or Trump's taxes, or if Trump lied under oath. That is is pretty cut and dry.

I think that the 71% and 51% numbers just show that independents and moderates and suburban voters are being pushed over little by little that they will not stand by this guy come 2020.
And we are week 1, of the public hearings. I think Sondland, Vindman and Hill are going to keep things moving in that direction.
 
well, i think it depends what we mean by "breaking point"



breaking point meaning, suddenly a majority of repub congress and senate say that Trump must be removed, then probably not, at this point.

BUT,

By breaking point we mean, there are several other points of inquiry that could reveal something that could be irrefutable by anyone, than maybe.



If something damning revealed by IRS or Trump's taxes, or if Trump lied under oath. That is is pretty cut and dry.



I think that the 71% and 51% numbers just show that independents and moderates and suburban voters are being pushed over little by little that they will not stand by this guy come 2020.

And we are week 1, of the public hearings. I think Sondland, Vindman and Hill are going to keep things moving in that direction.
By breaking point I mean we're over 50% in favor of removal, which is new.

And the 70% thinking he did something wrong portion would mean that a portion of his base has caved. Also new.

The new lanes pointing to easily proven corrupt behavior also provides an avenue for those numbers to go up.

And the only thing that's prevented the top from turning on this worthless shit sack is the fear that it'll cost them.

If it's clear that everyone but the hardest or hard core racist assholes... I mean base... Is all that's left, then maybe they decide to cut their losses.

Probably not. But maybe.
 
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