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Old 10-31-2019, 02:28 PM   #321
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While i have no confidence the senate will do the right thing,


this is the sound of goalposts shifting:


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Earlier this year, GOP senators pledged to quickly quash any articles of impeachment passed by the House. But as the Democrats compile more evidence that Trump withheld military assistance from Ukraine to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, they are adopting a more sober tone.

While no Senate Republican has said the charges against Trump rise to the level of being an impeachable offense, many have expressed concern over the drip-drip of damaging revelations.

Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) was the latest GOP senator to express concerns Wednesday even though he argued that the House has yet to provide any evidence that would support actually removing Trump from office.

Asked Wednesday if he had any concerns at all in light of recent reports on Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine, Scott said, “There’s lot of things that concern me.”

But he added, “That’s not the question.”

“The question on the table is impeachment and that’s the question we should get an answer to, and the answer so far is ‘For what would we impeach the president?’ And the answer is ‘I don’t see anything for that,’ ” he said.


At the same time, Scott acknowledged there is pressure on Senate Republicans to take any impeachment articles seriously.

“Everybody wants us to do the right thing. In order to do the right thing, we want to see all that there is,” Scott told reporters, explaining that he’s not ready to dismiss the House charges out of hand.

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) said Wednesday that the prospect of a quick vote on a motion to dismiss any articles of impeachment against Trump seems unlikely.

“I certainly think we need to hear it out from the House. This is a serious thing. You’re considering removing somebody from office or impeaching them in that way. I think you got to hear it,” she said.

A Republican senator who requested anonymity to comment on internal party discussions said GOP colleagues are taking the possibility of an impeachment trial seriously as the Democratic-controlled House compiles more evidence.

“We’re all becoming much more aware of the process and that’s because of the situation we’re in with the House,” the senator said, who added of colleagues, “I don’t think they’re going to dismiss it.”

“Right now, based on the facts that we have currently, the president will have the support he needs to get through this,” the senator added, though the lawmaker said there are enough colleagues who feel they owe it to the public to give the articles of impeachment serious consideration.

It’s a more measured tone than Republicans used when the House was considering impeachment proceedings based on former special counsel Robert Mueller’s lengthy investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 presidential election and subsequent attempts to obstruct his investigation.

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now that the process will be public, we are going to hear Republicans saying that Trump should just apologize and move on, that what he did may have been wrong, but it's not an impeachable offense. not so much "get over it," but more "Trump gonna Trump."

fortunately, Donald Trump will not go along with this because Donald Trump never, ever apologizes for anything, ever.

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Trump may be denying that he exerted any pressure on Ukraine’s government. But this denial is merely an expression of his reflexive maximalist approach to confrontation, which commits him to automatically denying any anything framed as an accusation, not a backhanded acknowledgement that such pressure would be improper.

Trump has, indeed, maintained all along that he was correct to demand investigations of his enemies. Asked about his demands to Ukraine — after the scandal broke! — he replied, “We’re supporting a country. We want to make sure that country is honest … it’s very important to talk about corruption. If you don’t talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?” Trump uses the word “corrupt” not to describe any actual form of illegal or unethical behavior — Trump is himself a longtime criminal, who has surrounded himself throughout his business and political career with other criminals — but as a way of tagging any figure who opposes him. Robert Mueller, news media he does not control, Adam Schiff, among many others, are all “corrupt.”

Trump has accordingly maintained he has a right to push other countries to investigate any people he considers “corrupt” (i.e., anti-Trump). He has stated this right is absolute. (“As the President of the United States, I have an absolute right, perhaps even a duty, to investigate, or have investigated, CORRUPTION, and that would include asking, or suggesting, other Countries to help us out!”)

Indeed, in keeping with this position, he has openly asked China to investigate the Biden family, while members of his administration keep refusing to deny that they are, right at this moment, incorporating such requests into their negotiations with Beijing. Trump has made it perfectly clear that any foreign country that announces investigations into his domestic enemies will be rewarded with diplomatic favor. Trump’s extraordinary distortion of American foreign policy for political gain is not a one-time offense that he’s learned from and won’t repeat. It is a credo, and an ongoing method.

Trump may learn to hide what he’s doing — his Ukraine plot was so transparent he literally shopped it to the New York Times — but he isn’t going to stop.

Republicans Want Trump to Apologize and Move on. He Won’t.
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Funny how Republicans were whining that this was all so secretive, out of the public’s eye and lacking transparency and then they all vote against making it public.

Weird, that.
And some of those Republicans had equal access to the testimony that's been shared thus far. They know full well what's been said in the private hearings, they know how damning the stuff is that's been shared already.

And yet they still stand by Trump. Unbelievable.
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Though you have to admit it is weird that baseball, where the players are most conservative, appears to have more liberal fans. Meanwhile, football appears to have more conservative fans, yet the players are more liberal.
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And from the looks of it American soccer seems to be pretty progressive?
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Oh yeah, if you’re out there watching soccer, you’re basically protesting the right wing.
Hockey is a mixed crowd, both on and off the ice. Basketball is progressive both on the court and in the stands.
Interesting sports stuff. The switch between baseball and football - I didn't know.

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it was only 2, and given how successful they were in 2018 winning swing districts where the president might still be popular, i'm actually surprised it wasn't a few more.

disappointed that there wasn't a GOPer or two who voted yay, but i guess swing district GOPs were cleaned out in 2018.
Yeah, it could have been a few more Dems. Well, good on those in more moderate districts.

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Nixon was a time where media had authority and disinformation didn’t have access to the very homes of the electorate.

I fear any and all voices that rebuke Trump will be shrugged off as partisan. Impeachment ought to just tire people from Trump for 2020.
Yup. Why...back in my day when we didn't have the Internets, and no sycophantic cable news channels either news traveled slower, and not 24/7 except on the radio. The NY Post was still a liberal paper back then. Can't remember whether the Daily News supported Nixon. It was more conservative back then.

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And some of those Republicans had equal access to the testimony that's been shared thus far. They know full well what's been said in the private hearings, they know how damning the stuff is that's been shared already.

And yet they still stand by Trump. Unbelievable.
Yeah. Cause drumph will still try and give Republicans a lot of what they want
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https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/sta...203444224?s=21

They keep lowering the bar

We need James Cameron
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They keep lowering the bar

We need James Cameron
Wow.

Somebody needs to start slapping the cuffs on these assholes. I'm dead serious.
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@$2%&&%#=$%=$"&#@# bastards!

With genuine threats out there THIS IS NOT FUNNY!
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Trump declares himself a Floridian (Mar-a-largo as his prime residence now).

Good - cause WE DON'T WANT YOU IN NYC ANY LONGER!!! Buh-byeeee! Good Riddance!!!
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Trump declares himself a Floridian (Mar-a-largo as his prime residence now).
Given all the jokes about Florida people like to make, I'm not sure if that's something he should be proud of .

Seriously, though, if he wants to hide out there for the rest of his life, he can feel free to do that any time.

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@$2%&&%#=$%=$"&#@# bastards!

With genuine threats out there THIS IS NOT FUNNY!
The little stunt with the boxes is even more shitty considering it was just a year ago that we had that pipe bomber going around mailing packages to legislators. Remember that?

To say nothing of the fact that they clearly don't seem to get that pulling these kinds of dumbass stunts doesn't exactly help prove Trump's innocence. It just further indicates there must be something to hide. The truly innocent don't behave like this.

But that's fine, Republicans. You want to act like obnoxious brats and want to openly say on camera that you're all going to stick with Trump. Okay, then. We'll remember that in 2020. And history books will remember that, too.
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Given all the jokes about Florida people like to make, I'm not sure if that's something he should be proud of .

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I heard now that the USA is withholding 100 million of aid money to Lebanon. Not sure why though.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019...exclusive.html
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His skin, it was apricot:


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Warren's M4A plan is out:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/polit...lan/index.html

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/paying-for-m4a
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Given all the jokes about Florida people like to make, I'm not sure if that's something he should be proud of .

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There are a bunch of exceptions.


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Seriously, though, if he wants to hide out there for the rest of his life, he can feel free to do that any time.
YES! Unfortunately more details seem to say he doesn't intend to move out of NYC until after his presidency. I am cry.

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The little stunt with the boxes is even more shitty considering it was just a year ago that we had that pipe bomber going around mailing packages to legislators. Remember that?

To say nothing of the fact that they clearly don't seem to get that pulling these kinds of dumbass stunts doesn't exactly help prove Trump's innocence. It just further indicates there must be something to hide. The truly innocent don't behave like this.

But that's fine, Republicans. You want to act like obnoxious brats and want to openly say on camera that you're all going to stick with Trump. Okay, then. We'll remember that in 2020. And history books will remember that, too.
This!

Now that you mention it, yeah, those creepy mailings.
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Bye Beto
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Bye Beto
For all those polling at or below Beto, please see his example of a rational, logical person that wants to see a a stronger and more productive primary. Clearing the way for more productive fundraising for a final nominee.

or as Chuck Rhodes says in Billions - Leave your credentials at the door, and GET THE FUCK OUT!
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Also, this is very interesting and should send a chill through the WH.

Republican approval of Trump :

July - 87%
October - 74%

That's pretty huge. Keep this in the lens of how the Senate will react. When they see numbers going under 80% for a sitting president, that is not good.

Also saw a poll from TX showing that 13% of Republicans support the impeachment inquiry, and 12% support impeachment in general.

If he's losing 13% of repubs in red states and over a 26% nationwide. That is a big and consequential shift.
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WaPo is reporting that a good number of R Senators now considering admitting there was quid pro quo but arguing that still doesn't rise to level of impeachment.

Profiles in courage.
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13% of republicans in Texas is not a notable number, though. Not 13% of the electorate. 13% of ~60%. It’s Cruz v Beto all over again.
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WaPo is reporting that a good number of R Senators now considering admitting there was quid pro quo but arguing that still doesn't rise to level of impeachment.

Profiles in courage.



This will be the argument.

It’s plainly not nearly as bad as lying under oath about a consensual relationship during a civil trial.
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This will be the argument.

It’s plainly not nearly as bad as lying under oath about a consensual relationship during a civil trial.
I thought that Trump's directive was to go out and defend him on the substance of his "perfect" phone call.
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