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Old 09-27-2019, 12:48 AM   #261
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So...Nunes seriously put out there the idea that Democrats...are working with supposed Ukrainians...to try to get nude photos...of Trump?

That is a truly mind-blowing level of stupid, right there.
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:38 AM   #262
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So...Nunes seriously put out there the idea that Democrats...are working with supposed Ukrainians...to try to get nude photos...of Trump?

That is a truly mind-blowing level of stupid, right there.
Lol really??? Not even SNL could come up with a sketch like that! Ok maybe they could.
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:44 AM   #263
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Bold of him to assume that even Melania would want to see the aforementioned nude photos of Trump.
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Old 09-27-2019, 04:16 AM   #264
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Even so, 2/3 of the Senate would need to vote against Trump.

In all seriousness, what is the chance of that? Is there a threshold by which the findings against Trump can be so bad that the numbers in the Senate will turn against him? Or will he, as a Republican, have enough rusted on support that he'll survive?
It seems highly unlikely - but it appeared highly unlikely that Nixon would be removed until the hearings began and the tide began to turn.

Every network, not just 24 hour news, covered today's hearing. Support for impeachment is already up in the mid 40s. If the polling gets to a point where it looks like 2020 is a complete lost cause, you'll see Republicans start to jump ship like it hit a giant orange iceberg.

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Among Democratic voters, support for impeachment proceedings has increased 13 points, from 66 percent in the previous poll, to 79 percent now.

But, according to Morning Consult vice president Tyler Sinclair, support has also ticked up among other voters.

“As more information has emerged about whistleblower allegations against President Trump, support for impeachment proceedings has grown to its highest point since the beginning of the summer,” Sinclair said. “This week’s news cycle had a significant impact on Republicans and independents, giving credibility to Democrats' impeachment inquiry. Up from 5 percent last week, 10 percent of Republicans now support beginning impeachment proceedings, while support among independents has reached 39 percent.”
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Even so, 2/3 of the Senate would need to vote against Trump.

In all seriousness, what is the chance of that? Is there a threshold by which the findings against Trump can be so bad that the numbers in the Senate will turn against him? Or will he, as a Republican, have enough rusted on support that he'll survive?
They will support Trump. Until they don't (i.e. their voters support impeachment as well). Then they try to drop him as fast as they can.
I hear it was the same with Nixon. He had broad support from Republicans, Until, in his final days, he suddenly did not have their support anymore.

Edit: Yeah, what Headache said half an hour ago.
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*Reads the Politico quote Headache posted about support for impeachment slowly rising*

Eeeeeeeeeeexcellent...*Rubs hands*


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Lol really??? Not even SNL could come up with a sketch like that! Ok maybe they could.
If they do, I hope they spare us the potential visuals .

But yeah, they showed a clip of Nunes saying that very thing on TV last night. Whatever drugs he's on, I'd like him to share 'em.
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The Dems don’t plan on holding many hearings, if any.

Only Ukraine will be the focus, so those 10 examples of Obstruction in the Mueller Report, plus about 50 other major violations will be forgotten.

Dems better hope the next time they get in they’re person doesn’t sneeze or GOP will impeach for that
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...683309056?s=19

Gzus Christ he's so fucking dumb
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The Dems don’t plan on holding many hearings, if any.

Only Ukraine will be the focus, so those 10 examples of Obstruction in the Mueller Report, plus about 50 other major violations will be forgotten.

Dems better hope the next time they get in they’re person doesn’t sneeze or GOP will impeach for that


I don’t think that this is necessarily bad. You don’t want to drag this out over a whole year and have the public lose sight of what is important.
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Lol Donald Trump is resurrecting the circa-2011 usage of the word “lamestream” and stealing it from elitist music hipsters.
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I don’t think that this is necessarily bad. You don’t want to drag this out over a whole year and have the public lose sight of what is important.
Indeed. That Mueller report exonerated Trump, so said also the summary by AG Barr. (OK, maybe it didn't, but that is the message that came out and what many heard) It is murky stuff with asking/not asking assistance and then doing some things that might have been called obstruction of justice. And with hundreds of pages that report is TL;DR.

The Ukraine situation seems to be quite clear at the moment. Obstruction of justice might also be added to it for extra weight (immediately storing the phone conversation transcript on a super secure network, something remarkable for such a phone call). Republican apologists have then less material to muddy public opinion with, in contrast with the Mueller report.

Besides, this is about impeachment and just 1 article can be enough. Should it ever come to a criminal case, then all violations of the past I-don't-know-how-many years can be added and used.
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I don’t think that this is necessarily bad. You don’t want to drag this out over a whole year and have the public lose sight of what is important.
absolutely.

because we're dumb, we can't keep track of things.

if everything that came from Mueller... all the indictments, everything... was dumped on one day, Trump would have been cooked. That it all trickled out over 2 years is what ultimately saved him.
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the whistle blower is wrong, you moron! it was actually much, much worse!
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Slappy's having a meltdown from, I assume, the shitter
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Agree with this fully. Narrowing the impeachment focus to only this issue essentially waves the hand at all of the impropriety that preceded it.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1551...serves-answers
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But you still have to be careful not to seem unguided or appear to be looking for a reason to be angry. Everything should be by the books but unfortunately aesthetics will impact the election.
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Agree with this fully. Narrowing the impeachment focus to only this issue essentially waves the hand at all of the impropriety that preceded it.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1551...serves-answers
A narrow scope impeachment does not preclude the southern district of New York from completing their work.
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That said, if there's a way for the democrats to fuck this up, they'll figure it out
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They shouldn't come across unprepared; they should take as much time as possible to do this right. The desire to rush makes very little sense to me.
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So...Nunes seriously put out there the idea that Democrats...are working with supposed Ukrainians...to try to get nude photos...of Trump?

Oh ww missed that part! eeewwww
That is a truly mind-blowing level of stupid, right there.
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Bold of him to assume that even Melania would want to see the aforementioned nude photos of Trump.
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