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Old 07-23-2019, 10:33 PM   #1
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US Politics XV: Time to Mull Mueller Mania

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Never seen a man manage to fail upwards so strongly in a political career as Bojo has.
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Mueller testifies and our governor is rumored to finally announce his resignation today after 2 weeks of historic protests.

Should be a newsworthy day.
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Leak or Mueller's testimony

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Umm hey assholes, do I have to fucking spell out everything for you? What is taking you so god damned long?
Leak of democratic response to Muller's testimony

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We're going to take this under consideration. There's no need to rush to judgement here. Excuse me while I go shit in my hand and throw it at the wall. Woooooooo we're bad at this!
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Should be a newsworthy day.
Considering every thing he has said to this point about not having anything to say beyond the report, I strongly suspect that there will be nothing newsworthy from Mueller.
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Considering every thing he has said to this point about not having anything to say beyond the report, I strongly suspect that there will be nothing newsworthy from Mueller.


Don’t be ridiculous. It’s going to be a newspin day on both sides.

It just won’t have any *real* news
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...614910976?s=21

This should be repeated over and over
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Trump will never be indicted. If he loses in 2020, he's going to threaten to refuse to leave, and the Democrats will negotiate a deal with him where they agree not to charge him if he leaves office peacefully.
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It’s sad because it’s probably gonna be true

Or Trump steps down and Pence takes care of him
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Mueller testifies and our governor is rumored to finally announce his resignation today after 2 weeks of historic protests.

Should be a newsworthy day.
Hey, prbkr have been thinking of you since the demonstrations started (1nyc, of course, but also on public radio (local, npr)people have been reporting in detail about PR's situation from maria onward, and also doing historical background.

Good luck! Hopes he's buh-bye by the end of the day!
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Trump will never be indicted. If he loses in 2020, he's going to threaten to refuse to leave, and the Democrats will negotiate a deal with him where they agree not to charge him if he leaves office peacefully.
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It’s sad because it’s probably gonna be true

Or Trump steps down and Pence takes care of him
While this probably could be true, I' m not giving up hope till the very end.
1) no luck on line trying to get the name of the person but i believe it was a historian - "things stay the same, until they don't" They were meaning that (mostly) everyone is thinking and doing in certain eayys, beliefs - da- dum, dim, dum; da-dum, dum, dum and rhen suddenly things change. While it appears sudden there were usually obscure forces and people working to change things till the right situations, interactions, etc all come together and viola some meaningful change happens.

People do lose hope at times but then, some, many(?) get it back again.

2) The New York Southern District judiciary can prosecute drumph, and i believe they are looking into among other things Deutsche Bank which might into money laundering charges.
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now taking bets on whether there will still be more democratic presidential candidates than regulars in this thread by the time we hit 1000 posts.
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We should have the interference debates... a series of debates where we vote on who wins them. Diemen sets the questions.
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Trump will never be indicted. If he loses in 2020, he's going to threaten to refuse to leave, and the Democrats will negotiate a deal with him where they agree not to charge him if he leaves office peacefully.
Nah.

He'll resign in December and Pence will pardon him
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there has to be at least some kind of indictment or charges laid before a pardon can be issued though, right? how can you legally pardon someone who hasn't (yet) been legally accused of anything? i don't see what's stopping prosecutors from just waiting until february before going after him.
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there has to be at least some kind of indictment or charges laid before a pardon can be issued though, right? how can you legally pardon someone who hasn't (yet) been legally accused of anything? i don't see what's stopping prosecutors from just waiting until february before going after him.


Nixon was pardoned by Gerald Ford pre-emptively.
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So the media’s take (or some of it) wasn’t the substance of Mueller testimony, it was that he wasn’t entertaining enough ?

Pelosi still a no go on opening impeachment hearings
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As someone on public radio earlier today said-
"some witnesses are entertaining but not important, others are NOT entertaining but important" .

There was speculation going around that Pelosi and Nadler were in disagreement about impeachment going into a late night meeting yesterday...but agreed (i think on more investigation). Will have to double check.

I suggest you all check out last night's R Maddow show and The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell which follows Rachel's show.

Both had informative and positive things to say.

Someone pointed out Mueller was more on top of things during the Intelligence Committee hearing- the thing he may have had more lee way on talking about at least more so. Where comparatively he was shying away from things the DOJ said he wasn't allowed to discuss etc.

The hearings made me even more leaning to "imoeachment now". However i forgot about the August Congressional Recess. I don't think they should start it right now, they should recess, and they speak to their constituents during that time.

Besides it's a given fact, except for people like us that people generally do not spent much time, attention durung The Summer to politics. You always here esp on public radio that people will start paying more attention in Sept.

And why can't The Congress walk and chew gum at the same time? They worked on bills during investigating Nixon.
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So the media’s take (or some of it) wasn’t the substance of Mueller testimony, it was that he wasn’t entertaining enough ?

Pelosi still a no go on opening impeachment hearings
That's correct.

Because we're an inherently stupid country.
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there has to be at least some kind of indictment or charges laid before a pardon can be issued though, right? how can you legally pardon someone who hasn't (yet) been legally accused of anything? i don't see what's stopping prosecutors from just waiting until february before going after him.
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In Ex parte Garland , the Supreme Court settled the question of preemptive pardons. The justices in that 1866 case decided that while pardons could reach only past acts, the pardon “may be exercised at any time after [the act’s] commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency or after conviction and judgment.”

Even before Garland, President Abraham Lincoln (among others) pardoned dozens of people — including alleged traitors — preemptively. More recently, President Jimmy Carter pardoned hundreds of thousands of Vietnam draft evaders, including those who had not been charged or convicted. And, most famously, President Gerald Ford pardoned President Richard Nixon, who had not yet been charged with anything.
POTUS 46 Pence is so totally pardoning POTUS 45 Shitbrick in December if Shitbrick loses.
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