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Umm, because you haven’t killed the First Amendment quite yet. And I STILL find it hilarious that people of color who “step out of line” are called white nationalists. No one buys that crap, sorry

someone who works for trump is shouted at and called mean names in a restaurant.

conservatives: angry leftist mobs! the left has no civility!!

an ad runs where a congresswoman's face is literally set on fire and she is directly accused of wanting to murder millions of people.

conservatives: free speech hating leftists! the left are snowflakes!!
 
Bernie - I don't know if he lost his voice from the yelling at the beginning, but it was hard to listen later on. I thought he did well, actually.

I kept wanting to clear my throat every time I heard him speak at the beginning.

I agree with you on Buttigieg, Warren, Castro, Beto, and Booker in particular. They were very strong overall tonight.
 
someone who works for trump is shouted at and called mean names in a restaurant.

conservatives: angry leftist mobs! the left has no civility!!

an ad runs where a congresswoman's face is literally set on fire and she is directly accused of wanting to murder millions of people.

conservatives: crybaby free speech hating leftists! the left are snowflakes!!
Dude, he can't understand that. You need to present it to these guys in meme form

Here, let me help

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someone who works for trump is shouted at and called mean names in a restaurant.

conservatives: angry leftist mobs! the left has no civility!!

an ad runs where a congresswoman's face is literally set on fire and she is directly accused of wanting to murder millions of people.

conservatives: free speech hating leftists! the left are snowflakes!!

A picture is set on fire, versus being verbally and physically harassed in person?

You are truly the poster boy for the left.
 
Dude, he can't understand that. You need to present it to these guys in meme form

Here, let me help

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Wow you're so continually clever.

Sarah Sanders being called a monkey is ignorant like the people who call AOC a horseface is ignorant. It's free speech but it's ignorant. Burn a picture of AOC, you're crying about it?

That unfunny comedian (forgot her name) that held up Trumps decapitated head?? Huh huh, that's cool and funny.

Conservatives laugh at these juvenile things, you look at which amendment you can get rid of next.

But once again, you guys will never discuss how right the ad is about socialism. Or about how you think Denmark and Switzerland are socialist, when the only socialist thing they do is universal health care.
 
I mean... I know you're the scientist and I'm the dopey basketball guy, but cognitive decline is certainly something that shows more in an average 80 year old brain than in the average70 year old brain. It also tends to impact the male brain earlier than the female brain.

So is it generational? Yes, which is why I said I would also prefer to not even have a 70 year old, either.

But it's not life expectancy so much as having a president whose brain isn't going to turn to mush by year 3.



Don’t you think you’re leading off with something that’s a little bit unfair?

If you want to make your own argument that’s fine, but by all means I respect you and never called you a “dopey basketball guy.”
 
Who ever called Sarah Sanders a monkey? It was your friends who called Michelle Obama that. Are you making shit up again?

Again: it’s your president who wants to lock up journalists, and who admires and grovels to dictators who either murder journalists (Putin) or don’t allow them (Kim Jong Il).

Again: stop saying the left wants to shut down free speech. They don’t. You are intentionally lying. Stop.
 
literally nobody here thought that beheaded trump picture was cool or funny, and literally nobody with a functioning brain thinks a country that has been a tax haven and playground for aristocrats and the ultra rich for centuries is socialist.
 
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Wow you're so continually clever.



Sarah Sanders being called a monkey is ignorant like the people who call AOC a horseface is ignorant. It's free speech but it's ignorant. Burn a picture of AOC, you're crying about it?



That unfunny comedian (forgot her name) that held up Trumps decapitated head?? Huh huh, that's cool and funny.



Conservatives laugh at these juvenile things, you look at which amendment you can get rid of next.



But once again, you guys will never discuss how right the ad is about socialism. Or about how you think Denmark and Switzerland are socialist, when the only socialist thing they do is universal health care.



No one is crying and no one is trying to remove an amendment, but keep trying. Maybe someday your straw man will come alive?!
 
Biden does not seem fit for the job anymore. We can argue about whether he's too centrist or not left enough or whatever, but the real question with him for me, and the reason I don't feel like I can support him right now, is the question of his mental fitness.

I love Joe Biden. I remember back in 2008 after Obama became the nominee and the "who will he pick as VP" discussion was all over the news, and I badly wanted it to be Biden. I've never been that sure about a VP pick before or since. He was a home run in my eyes. And I think he was a great VP for eight years.

But the guy I've seen at the debates thus far in this cycle is not the same guy. Just watch any couple of minutes from his famous VP debate against Paul Ryan in 2012:



He absolutely wiped the floor with Ryan. He was sharp as a tac, precise in everything he said. He was cool as a cucumber, that confident smile on his face, totally in control. It was a heavyweight against a lightweight. It was vintage Joe.

In these debates this year? He's fumbling his words, saying incoherent things that make little sense, abandoning so many thoughts mid-sentence, and his demeanor is generally a bit shook, the pace of his speech somewhat frantic, on and on. The confidence that dripped off his face in the Paul Ryan debate is gone now. That was only seven years ago, but it feels like Biden aged twenty in that time.

If the Biden of 2012 was running, I'd be 100% comfortable with him as the nominee in the 'he's the best chance to beat Trump' kind of way. But I have decided that I actively do not want the Biden of 2019 to be the nominee. I just keep having visions a future where Jill is whispering things in his ear like Nancy Reagan used to do with Ronald.

And this is not ageism. Bernie is even older and he doesn't have any of these issues. It's not the number, it's the behavior.

I don't know, maybe I'm overreacting, but I just feel like there's obvious reason to be concerned about his mental fitness at this point, and I don't understand why more people(in the media) aren't talking about it.
 
Don’t you think you’re leading off with something that’s a little bit unfair?

If you want to make your own argument that’s fine, but by all means I respect you and never called you a “dopey basketball guy.”
I didn't say you called me that. I called me that. Don't infringe upon my gzus given constitutional right to be self deprecating lib
 
Wow you're so continually clever.



Sarah Sanders being called a monkey is ignorant like the people who call AOC a horseface is ignorant. It's free speech but it's ignorant. Burn a picture of AOC, you're crying about it?



That unfunny comedian (forgot her name) that held up Trumps decapitated head?? Huh huh, that's cool and funny.



Conservatives laugh at these juvenile things, you look at which amendment you can get rid of next.



But once again, you guys will never discuss how right the ad is about socialism. Or about how you think Denmark and Switzerland are socialist, when the only socialist thing they do is universal health care.

Yes, Kathy Griffin was fired from every media job she had and more or less blacklisted for 2+ years because you all just laughed at how juvenile it was. Get a clue. That's probably the worst fucking example you possibly could have come up with, and even the slightest big of research would have shown that.

https://youtu.be/BMCwx0q_82c

Woooo hoooo look at all those conservatives just having a good chuckle at the silly Lib! They just shrugged it off and waived their hands. Ahhh ya shouldn't have done that, silly red head lady, but it's ok. First amendment, amirite???!?!

And I don't support socialism as an economic system you fuck nut.
 
Why not skip the debates all together like Trump did during some of the primaries?
 
Yes, Kathy Griffin was fired from every media job she had and more or less blacklisted for 2+ years because you all just laughed at how juvenile it was. Get a clue. That's probably the worst fucking example you possibly could have come up with, and even the slightest big of research would have shown that.

https://youtu.be/BMCwx0q_82c

Woooo hoooo look at all those conservatives just having a good chuckle at the silly Lib! They just shrugged it off and waived their hands. Ahhh ya shouldn't have done that, silly red head lady, but it's ok. First amendment, amirite???!?!

And I don't support socialism as an economic system you fuck nut.

Look dude, you jumped into this defending AOC with your witty barb about the first amendment.

Most of the references to Kathy Griffin' Trump head stunt were based on " if someone did this to Obama, Hillary, (now inject Bernie, Warren), libs would be crying in the corner for days.

Most conservatives are used to crappy treatment by "the tolerant left ". And yes, most of us laugh it off because we like to let the ignorance show itself, like your constant name calling.

I'm sure YOU are not really for socialism because of your six figure income. Most of the other liberal elites on here who make six or seven figures (or married seven figures) probably aren't REALLY for it either. Do as I say, not as I do, like millionaires Bernie, Warren, Biden, Obama, the Clintons, etc, etc.
 
You’ve shown an incompetence and inability to address simple semantics such as free speech or fascism.

You are not very smart.
 
Look dude, you jumped into this defending AOC with your witty barb about the first amendment.



Most of the references to Kathy Griffin' Trump head stunt were based on " if someone did this to Obama, Hillary, (now inject Bernie, Warren), libs would be crying in the corner for days.



Most conservatives are used to crappy treatment by "the tolerant left ". And yes, most of us laugh it off because we like to let the ignorance show itself, like your constant name calling.



I'm sure YOU are not really for socialism because of your six figure income. Most of the other liberal elites on here who make six or seven figures (or married seven figures) probably aren't REALLY for it either. Do as I say, not as I do, like millionaires Bernie, Warren, Biden, Obama, the Clintons, etc, etc.



How much does that chip weigh? It must be hard carrying that thing around all day everyday.
 
" if someone did this to Obama ... libs would be crying in the corner for days.

yes this is a good point.

the right would never say or do anything threatening towards obama, that's for sure.

you guys have always been so civil to him and his entire family.

imagine the outcry from us lefty snowflakes if a conservative displayed, say, an effigy of obama hanging from a noose that they then proceeded to set on fire, or prepared a grave for him, or build absurdly racist representations of him, or something.

but of course that would never happen, because your side is the one with civility that simply laughs off all this juvenile stuff.
 
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but of course that would never happen, because your side is the one with civility that simply laughs off all this juvenile stuff.


further, there's absolutely nothing insane about this video that Rudy Giuliani tweeted on 9/11.

 
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Look dude, you jumped into this defending AOC with your witty barb about the first amendment.



Most of the references to Kathy Griffin' Trump head stunt were based on " if someone did this to Obama, Hillary, (now inject Bernie, Warren), libs would be crying in the corner for days.



Most conservatives are used to crappy treatment by "the tolerant left ". And yes, most of us laugh it off because we like to let the ignorance show itself, like your constant name calling.



I'm sure YOU are not really for socialism because of your six figure income. Most of the other liberal elites on here who make six or seven figures (or married seven figures) probably aren't REALLY for it either. Do as I say, not as I do, like millionaires Bernie, Warren, Biden, Obama, the Clintons, etc, etc.

Nah broseph. I jumped into it with the mocking bible quote, followed by the mocking meme.

I wasn't for socialism when I was living pay check to pay check and barely scrapping by, either. I guess I wasn't overly elite, yet. Probably why I was a Republican then, by your fucking numbskulled logic.

I am generally in favor of capitalism. I've never once voiced an argument in favor of socialism. Most democrats don't, actually - despite what that mean old Hannity says. There's really only two actual leftists even on this board. Most of us trend more moderate.

I'm also not so fucking stupid as to not see that there are already a shit ton of socialist aspects to our economy.

I am in favor of a gradual shift to socialized medicine. I don't think we should go all in - not because it doesn't make sense to do so from a humanity perspective, but unfortunately we have a shit ton of stupid people in this country who are so frightened by the naughty S word that it's more likely to become a thing if we take a gradual approach as opposed to pulling off the band aid.

And guess what? And this is really going to fucking throw you for a loop here - but I'm not an AOC fan! I know, I was surprised too since Fox News told me everyone who doesn't worship Trump does (oh, I know... you don't like him, you're just an independent conservative wink wink). She's got some potential, but I disagree with her on a lot of issues. I openly posted here about my displeasure I'm her torpedoing the Amazon deal that would have greatly benefited the neighborhood I called home for many years - specifically considering that the proposal had huge favorability and it wasn't her fucking district.

But hey, burning her image in a political ad is pretty fucking low. Sure, they have the right to do it under the first amendment, but that doesn't make it a good fucking idea, nor a safe one.

I'm also not so gosh darn fucking stupid to not see the difference between a comedian saying something that is offensive vs. a paid political ad running during a debate.

But hey - keep fucking that poor, misunderstood conservative chicken. It's working out great for you guys. Good job, good effort.

And by the way I'm pulling in a solid 9 figures these days, thanks to my weekly Soros checks.
 
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That was one of the bizarre moments that came at the end when most casual viewers probably made the (correct) decision to go to bed.

I think that he's not mentally sharp and at times seems lost. Really, really worrisome.

I agree that his moments like this concern me as well. He just isn't the sharp, quick debater like he once was. Which is why i like Warren a lot. She's always on point.
On the flip side. Just saw poll showing African American support for Biden at 42% and Warren at 10%.
Also very worrisome.
 
I'm sure YOU are not really for socialism because of your six figure income. Most of the other liberal elites on here who make six or seven figures (or married seven figures) probably aren't REALLY for it either. Do as I say, not as I do, like millionaires Bernie, Warren, Biden, Obama, the Clintons, etc, etc.

LOL.

Why don't you all in the poor red states pull yourselves up by your bootstraps like your leaders keep braying about? 7 figures, just takes a bit of hard work, ya know??
 
LOL.

Why don't you all in the poor red states pull yourselves up by your bootstraps like your leaders keep braying about? 7 figures, just takes a bit of hard work, ya know??

I wholeheartedly agree with you! I'm glad you have your seven figures!! Free market capitalism for all!?
 
There was a recent news report, can't remember where I saw it
The gist of it was that Obama told Biden he shouldn't run and embarrass himself. It leads me to believe that Obama knows about some issue.

It was still awful for Julian Castro to say what he said about Biden's memory. Sinking into the Trump swamp there, putting aside Trump's mental faculties. Mayor Pete was right, it's why the debates have become unwatchable.

It's very sad to see mental decline, I've seen it with my late Mom and with my Dad who is still living. Nothing to make points in a debate over. Voters will decide. I wasn't going to vote for him anyway but it completely turned me off to Castro.

Then he says to Mayor Pete that's what a primary is. Ugh.

In other news Trump said light bulbs make him look orange because they make everyone look orange. Laugh of the week.
 
:wave: MrsS!

It's amazing how these orange light bulbs don't seem to permeate around his eyes. Oddly white...
 
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