US Politics XV: Time to Mull Mueller Mania

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yes let's not bother worrying about joe biden being careless with facts, because america is totally going to be just fine with another president who doesn't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good story.



Is it careless or did he honestly just misspeak ?

The point is Trump lies 50 billion times a day, some of which if you or i did this would potentially have charges brought against us

But Biden tells a lie, or bends a story a certain way and it’s non stop coverage

It’s like Hillary and her health. Or her fucking emails. Or Wall Street talks.

Trump is held to a different standard and i don’t understand why
 
well if you had bothered to read the article i posted (or anything at all about this) you'd know that he's told this false story several times in several variations over a period of a few years, so no he clearly didn't "honestly just misspeak". but by all means don't let not knowing anything about this slow down your whatabouting.

"but trump lies more" is such a bullshit cop-out. can the bar for the democratic nominee please be a little higher than "trump is worse"?
 
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Yes, there is a double standard about Trump because he has normalized his narcissistic 24/7 lying so nobody expects more. Why the media beats the same dead horse over and over again regarding each outrageous lie is also clear - outrage makes ratings.

Whichever Democrat runs against him will be smeared, called a liar, a hypocrite and those are only the nice things that will be said.

Biden's main issue with these gaffes/exaggerations/lies/call them what you want is that it contributes to the narrative that he's senile and losing it.
 
Dave C and anitram,
Thanks for the Canada poly info.

So when/if a party becomes a Minority Rule Gov't- it's easier to come apart if things go really downhill? A Majority Rule - does it mean that winning party doesn't have to share power (in general)?
 
well if you had bothered to read the article i posted (or anything at all about this) you'd know that he's told this false story several times in several variations over a period of a few years, so no he clearly didn't "honestly just misspeak". but by all means don't let not knowing anything about this slow down your whatabouting.

"but trump lies more" is such a bullshit cop-out. can the bar for the democratic nominee please be a little higher than "trump is worse"?



We have one shot at this. If Biden wins the nomination the democrats cannot tear him apart. He may not be the best candidate that we all want, but if he’s got the votes and support of the DNC then so be it. Lies and all. I’ll take these lies over manipulating the global markets, or how Obama is at fault for putting kids in camps.

Whoever wins, Warren, Biden, Sanders, Harris....each one is going to get torn to shreds but the right wing media complex, Russian Bots/Trolls, and the media will blow up every little misstep along the way.

All the while Trump and his rejects continue to sell off the government and our land to the highest bidders. And it doesn’t even sustain the news for more than 8 hours.

I hope it’s Warren that wins the nomination. She’s smart, willing to stand up for everyone, and while she may not be as against capitalism as Sanders or some of you in here want, she appears to have legit plans to level some of the playing field.

If she doesn’t get it, i hope it’s Harris or Sanders
 
Dave C and anitram,
Thanks for the Canada poly info.

So when/if a party becomes a Minority Rule Gov't- it's easier to come apart if things go really downhill? A Majority Rule - does it mean that winning party doesn't have to share power (in general)?

Basically when you have a minority government, you need to work with one of the other parties to prop you up. Typically this works for at least some time either because the party propping you up has similar policy positions (for example the centre-left party aligning with the left party), or because after a national election, the parties are in disarray and those that lost need some time to to re-group, elect a new party leader, etc. When it becomes politically expedient for the party propping you up to no longer continue to do so, they will mount a no-confidence vote. For example, the minority party would introduce their budget, the other parties would all vote against it which would then bring down the government and a new election is called by the Governor General.
 
a majority government means that basically yes, the government can do pretty much whatever it wants to for a full 4 year term without having to worry about an early election. a minority government is always under threat that the third party that is supporting them could withdraw their support in parliament and force an early election at essentially any time during their term so a minority government's hands are tied a lot more in terms of what sort of laws they can pass.
 
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how on earth is piers morgan a strong liberal lmao

Well, let me see, maybe the term is a leftist, no wait, leftist is lefter than liberal, a centrist , nah, those are now Republicans, ahh, don’t even have to watch the clip to know “He’s wrong, and he’s not one of us.”

I know you didn’t have time to watch it, he calls himself a liberal, how dare he. And naturally, like always, you don’t address the content

Point proved #1
 
this is like a tankie calling AOC a fascist lol

AOC is a fascist , look up the definition of fascism, that’s AOC, dictatorial leftists run amok.

Keep talking, you’re proving the point of the clip
 
Piers Morgan is a right wing nutjob, not a liberal. The fuck are we even doing anymore?

Right wing nut job! Piers Morgan. Well everyone is a right wing nut job who doesn’t agree with you.

Of course, not addressing the content

Point proven #2
 
he calls himself a liberal

Point proved #1

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Piers Morgan is an embarrassment and nobody truly likes him.

Oh no, no one likes him??? That’s the most devastating put down of all, again, not addressing the content.

The degree of anger spewed by the left over things they don’t look into the facts of, think about , or maybe even THINK is on total display in this forum, and is exactly what the right wing nut job Piers Morgan, who no one likes is talking about .

That’s how fascism starts. Here comes the mob, I love it.
 
AOC is a fascist , look up the definition of fascism, that’s AOC, dictatorial leftists run amok.

Keep talking, you’re proving the point of the clip


Fascism is when you're mean to other people.




Conservatives calling themselves 'liberal' as if it'll somehow further legitimise their conservative opinions is tired and old as hell.


That’s how fascism starts. Here comes the mob, I love it.


This is a pretty dire thing to say when there have been numerous mass shootings this year courtesy of actual, unapologetic fascists - but no, three people telling you that Piers Morgan is a bumbling dipshit is fascism now actually.
 
Conservatives calling themselves 'liberal' as if it'll somehow further legitimise their conservative opinions is tired and old as hell.

we already went through the whole "nazis were socialists, it's right there in their name!!" thing at least once with this guy, too.
 
You’re giving him more than he deserves. He’s not really capable of handling serious discussion. Just call a moron a moron when he says moronic things.
 
Basically when you have a minority government, you need to work with one of the other parties to prop you up. Typically this works for at least some time either because the party propping you up has similar policy positions (for example the centre-left party aligning with the left party), or because after a national election, the parties are in disarray and those that lost need some time to to re-group, elect a new party leader, etc. When it becomes politically expedient for the party propping you up to no longer continue to do so, they will mount a no-confidence vote. For example, the minority party would introduce their budget, the other parties would all vote against it which would then bring down the government and a new election is called by the Governor General.
a majority government means that basically yes, the government can do pretty much whatever it wants to for a full 4 year term without having to worry about an early election. a minority government is always under threat that the third party that is supporting them could withdraw their support in parliament and force an early election at essentially any time during their term so a minority government's hands are tied a lot more in terms of what sort of laws they can pass.
Thanks, again Dave C and anitram. :up:

And duuuuuh on me :der: when i posted this:
So when/if a party becomes a Minority Rule Gov't- it's easier to come apart if things go really downhill?

(I'm not always posting in a quiet library- i'm often posting on a loudish, busy subway platform, which can effect my posting)

So when i said "it's easier to come apart"; what i had in my head was the coalition(s?) that the minority party that won would have to make with other parties ie: the examples you both provided; to form a coalition gov't. (I have listened to international news for a long time so i have some idea of what goes on :) )
 
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Biden's main issue with these gaffes/exaggerations/lies/call them what you want is that it contributes to the narrative that he's senile and losing it.
Unfortunately, yes. He's pretty far from my first choice.

how on earth is piers morgan a strong liberal lmao
Wait, who's piers Morgan? (the name sounds very vaguely familiar)

this is like a tankie calling AOC a fascist lol
And what the heck is a "tankie". Unless that's a misspell, but i have no idea of what it could be. :lol:

AOC is a fascist , look up the definition of fascism, that’s AOC, dictatorial leftists run amok.

Keep talking, you’re proving the point of the clip
AOC = a fascist?
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

i know. he's drunk and trolling, i'm stoned and making fun of him. it's friday night of a long weekend :shrug:

A long weekend? Whst three day holiday does Canada have this weekend?
Unless you gave yourself a long weekend by using a vacation day or two. :D. :up:
 
AOC is a fascist , look up the definition of fascism, that’s AOC, dictatorial leftists run amok.



Keep talking, you’re proving the point of the clip



So you still don’t know the definition of fascism?

I’m willing to discuss the clip with you, when you’re willing to be honest.

Deal?
 
My apologies upfront for this piece from Piers Morgan being shared from a Facebook post. That somehow taints the meaning of what is being said. Just find it interesting that a strong liberal is saying this, not that anyone on this forum falls into this category at all:

https://www.facebook.com/373328903433580/posts/512919099474559?sfns=cl
Sure I'll bite.

The overall point is not without merit. We have become a society of outrage over everything. We get outraged over the outrage. It's ridiculous. But let's not try and pretend that this was a liberal only issue. As if Republicans never got their panties in a bunch over a comedian or a movie or the violent video games that only seem to cause mass shootings in America even though they exist everywhere?

Liberals don't have a stranglehold on faux outrage.

But here's the issue, and why trying to defend some of the points that Morgan makes in this video has become a non starter for me, even if I agree with a lot of what he's saying in theory.

The right - Trumpism, Fox Newsism, Ailes-ism, whatever - has used this outrage over outrage to justify racism, sexism and homophobia. So it's impossible to actually have any real conversation on the subject - because you end up with some tool posting a scale of acceptable racism as a way or proving that he isn't a racist.

Excusing discrimination under the guise of religious freedom or "American values" is horse shit.

That's not "we're not allowed an idea or we'll be ostracized from society."

That's "you're a fucking bigot."
 
Sure I'll bite.

The overall point is not without merit. We have become a society of outrage over everything. We get outraged over the outrage. It's ridiculous. But let's not try and pretend that this was a liberal only issue. As if Republicans never got their panties in a bunch over a comedian or a movie or the violent video games that only seem to cause mass shootings in America even though they exist everywhere?

Conservatives only get outraged about things that really matter - the annual kvetching over the design of the Starbucks holiday (pardon me, CHRISTMAS) cups, the unAmerican nature of "French" fries, the nature of Nike's advertising campaigns and throwing Keurig machines off balconies in protest of the company being mean to Sean Hannity.
 
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