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Old 09-04-2019, 09:50 AM   #721
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Pence is staying 150 miles away from his meetings in Dublin, at a Trump property.

But it's not because the president is profiting off his office. No no. It's because clearly it's the only property capable of housing all of mother's quilts you silly libs.

Also Pence doesn't hate gays because he's having lunch with Ireland's prime minister. Which is something they actually bragged about.



There you go again, playing the race card.

Can’t we do better?
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Old 09-04-2019, 10:27 AM   #722
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There are new polls out, the first ones in September. Let's break them down. I've included the pollster's rating per 538.

(A-) IBD/TIPP
Biden 28
Warren 24
Sanders 12
Harris 6
Buttigieg 5

(B) YouGov
Biden 26
Warren 21
Sanders 14
Buttigieg 6
Harris 5

(B-) Morning Consult
Biden 32
Sanders 20
Warren 16
Harris 8
Buttigieg 5

(C+) Change Research
Warren 29
Sanders 22
Biden 10
Buttigieg 9
Harris 6

(C+) HarrisX
Biden 28
Sanders 18
Warren 11
Harris 5
Buttigieg 5

My guess is that the last 2 are outliers as they don't follow any other pattern seen and given their rating, the methodology is probably questionable.

Of the other 3, two now show signs of tightening at the top.
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One of Warren/Sanders is going to have to drop out for either of them to have a chance. And I think it should be Sanders. Warren is simply more likable, has more detailed policies, communicates them better, will have more full-throated support from the DNC(which matters, like it or not), and has has more momentum recently.

Although there have been some reports of Bernie supporters having Biden as their second choice, which strikes me as odd.
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Although there have been some reports of Bernie supporters having Biden as their second choice, which strikes me as odd.
there's actually not as much overlap between the two groups of supporters as you'd think, apparently:

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Imagined as a Venn diagram, there is common ground between Warren and Sanders voters but each has their own distinct base. A survey by the Pew Research Center this month found that about seven in 10 of Warren’s supporters are white, compared to about half of Sanders’ backers. Warren’s supporters are substantially more likely to have a college degree compared with supporters of [Joe] Biden and Sanders.

John Zogby, a pollster and author, said: ‘Because of progressive ideology there is some sort of overlap, but they are different. Warren picks up support among women that ordinarily Sanders would not get, including former Clinton supporters who regard her as the bearer of the torch to get a woman elected.’
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Dumbest thing he’s done in office so far ?
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:40 PM   #726
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there's actually not as much overlap between the two groups of supporters as you'd think, apparently:



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ial-nomination
I have to agree with both previous posts...

only Warren or Sanders will be left standing in the progressive lane.
I like them both, but out of those two lean Warren just on policies and personality, not really gauging how well she would fare in the general.

I think it is troubling that she doesn't have the minority support at the moment of Biden or even Sanders. Being a woman is a double edged sword. Pick up women voters, but lose some more... lets kindly say... people that have a hard time with women in authoritative positions. Also, the education gap that you point out.
A key this time will be winning those non-college voters that went for Trump but have since fallen out of favor with him. They could just stay home if the Dem nominee doesn't appeal to them.

Interesting to see the polls. Will be extra interesting after September debate!

Also, Obvious VP picks are Harris and Abrams. Anyone else think that Castro my be a bit of a sleeper, possibly stronger choice? Could see solid returns in NV, AZ, FL, and TX...
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Dumbest thing he’s done in office so far ?
seriously, like a 5 year old.
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Dumbest thing he’s done in office so far ?
And remember, folks, this is the same guy who's claimed he's never heard of a Category 5 hurricane, despite the fact that, as of now, four of them have occurred during his presidency.

But yeah. Totally a guy worth defending and supporting.
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there's actually not as much overlap between the two groups of supporters as you'd think, apparently:



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ial-nomination
Yeah, Sanders has a more diverse base of support, and while they are both the more "left" candidate, there is a much larger gap in ideology between Sanders and Warren than there is between Warren and Harris/Biden/Buttigieg. Sanders is skeptical of capitalism; Warren is not. Sanders wants universal health care; Warren wants private insurance to continue to be a factor.

I heard it put best this way: Warren is the candidate of the aggrieved consumer. The companies are screwing us over, in that we're getting a bad deal. We need to regulate them to get better options on the market. Sanders is the candidate of the aggrieved worker. The companies are screwing us over by exploiting and stealing our labor. We need to ensure that rights are not tied to companies that can't be trusted with them.
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And remember, folks, this is the same guy who's claimed he's never heard of a Category 5 hurricane, despite the fact that, as of now, four of them have occurred during his presidency.

But yeah. Totally a guy worth defending and supporting.
But, but, Biden said we choose facts over truth! So really they are equally bad.
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And remember, folks, this is the same guy who's claimed he's never heard of a Category 5 hurricane, despite the fact that, as of now, four of them have occurred during his presidency.



But yeah. Totally a guy worth defending and supporting.


Mrs. Garrison disregarded my post asking whether or not this was an issue of the president’s competency or whether or not he was just trolling. I was told that I was just reading too much into things.

I don’t know if the sharpie thing is real, but I would not put it past him.

Mrs. Garrison, is he trolling?
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He may not have done it himself, but that leaves his staff.

They did the same thing with his inauguration photos.
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A key this time will be winning those non-college voters that went for Trump but have since fallen out of favor with him. They could just stay home if the Dem nominee doesn't appeal to them.
If they stay home, frankly that's not a bad outcome for the Democrats, but it's devastating for Trump.

I think I've said this before, but among the ultra wealthy corporate America types, which my husband works with on a daily basis, Warren is almost universally becoming an acceptable choice EVEN WITH the wealth tax. Sanders is not acceptable to them at all. If you are a purist, that may say something to you. If you're a realist/electability voter, it may say something entirely else.
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The Dave drugs thing was pretty petty. Let’s not.
Actually you are right, it was petty. And I should have known better.

If anyone here was offended by those comments please accept my sincere apology, it was bad judgement on my part.

DaveC, for what it's worth please accept my sincere and humble apology.
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i really didn't take any offense to that, but thanks anyways for the apology.
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Well I was, you know, telling off headache. It is petty. It’s just not a big deal.

Anyways, please address the substantive post because last time you told me I was reading too much into the Presidentroll thing, but yet the topic has come back up again by his decision.
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i really didn't take any offense to that, but thanks anyways for the apology.
You bet.
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Well I was, you know, telling off headache. It is petty. It’s just not a big deal.

Anyways, please address the substantive post because last time you told me I was reading too much into the Presidentroll thing, but yet the topic has come back up again by his decision.
If you are referring to me, i'm not sure i recall the substantive post? Slept a lot since then i suppose.
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If you are referring to me, i'm not sure i recall the substantive post? Slept a lot since then i suppose.


I was trying to understand if the president had a motive behind his factually incorrect and publicly misguiding statements about hurricane Dorian, or if there was no motive.

You disregarded the post and told me I’m just reaching for something and that he misspoke. However, like in times past, he has doubled down on his words. Is he just doubly accidentally misspeaking, or is he doing it intentionally?
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