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Old 07-27-2019, 05:57 PM   #41
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I haven’t wanted to delve into tin hat territory

...Frame 2020 as an election of USA vs Russia. And we all know who is the Russia Party, led by President Kompromat and his sidekick Moscow Mitch.
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The hope for elections free of foreign interference?

Given the Russian governments clearly documented actions in the 2016 election and their clear intentions to do the same in 2020, and the Trump campaign’s willingness to accept and work with a declared adversary with anti-democratic and expansionist intentions, it seems fair to me.

The notion that the Democrats are running on RUSSIA only is a right wing talking point, one that I’m not surprised to hear repeated in certain corners of the internet. Let’s let the campaign develop and get a nominee before rendering such judgments.
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lol the baltimore sun editorial board went in...

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As heartening as it has been to witness public figures rise to Charm City’s defense on Saturday, from native daughter House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Mayor Bernard C. “Jack” Young, we would above all remind Mr. Trump that the 7th District, Baltimore included, is part of the United States that he is supposedly governing. The White House has far more power to affect change in this city, for good or ill, than any single member of Congress including Mr. Cummings. If there are problems here, rodents included, they are as much his responsibility as anyone’s, perhaps more because he holds the most powerful office in the land.

Finally, while we would not sink to name-calling in the Trumpian manner — or ruefully point out that he failed to spell the congressman’s name correctly (it’s Cummings, not Cumming) — we would tell the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women’s private parts, the serial bankrupter of businesses, the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and the guy who insisted there are “good people” among murderous neo-Nazis that he’s still not fooling most Americans into believing he’s even slightly competent in his current post. Or that he possesses a scintilla of integrity. Better to have some vermin living in your neighborhood than to be one.
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I haven’t wanted to delve into tin hat territory, but I’ve always thought this was a possibility. As we’ve discussed, the threading of the electoral needle, the improbable royal flush he was dealt, the unanticipated mistakes of the HRC campaign, how off the polls were (4-5 points in some cases) ... it’s something that the Left and the Right don’t want to be true, because the Left wants to punish HRC because ... well, dunno, but their hate for her is something they share with the right .. and the right wants to win.

Since we’ll likely never know, we have to double down on election security as a campaign issue, and the D’s have a chance here to seize an issue that plays into patriotism. What the Left doesn’t do is make voters feel good about themselves and their country, which is why they lose. A litany of America’s wrongs and expensive programs to fix them — while practical and real and useful —isn’t the way to win a presidential election. Frame 2020 as an election of USA vs Russia. And we all know who is the Russia Party, led by President Kompromat and his sidekick Moscow Mitch.

Trump wants to run agains Omar? The Dems should be running against Putin.
And then Drumpf tells Vladimir he'll have more "flexibility" after the election
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And then Drumpf tells Vladimir he'll have more "flexibility" after the election




But never mind, Mrs. Garrison, never mind. Who cares what was said then?

Or Mr. Mueller's confident testimony last week in Congress, even.

Who cares?
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Russia still isn’t our greatest threat by a long shot. They’re just the most active one.
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And then Drumpf tells Vladimir he'll have more "flexibility" after the election



What does this even mean? But one time Obama said something to a Russian?

Shouldn’t you be worrying about Hillary’s emails and telling women to smile more often?
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But never mind, Mrs. Garrison, never mind. Who cares what was said then?



Or Mr. Mueller's confident testimony last week in Congress, even.



Who cares?



You know, a lot of things changed in 2014. Try to think of something that happened that year that may have changed the Russia calculus.

Mr Mueller’s most confident testimony came when speaking about the clear, direct threat the Russians pose to the 2020 election, and which party and person will be the direct beneficiaries.

Other than Trump, there’s one man who has city rubies to refuse to do anything to stop a foreign adversary from attacking our elections, and they would be the Senator from Kentucky. He backed away from defending the country in 2016 and he’s done so again.
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Must be something with the water in Kentucky cause Rand Paul seems to be under the influence like Moscow Mitch
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Google “Deripaska” and “aluminum plant.”
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Russia still isn’t our greatest threat by a long shot. They’re just the most active one.
Are we simply talking nation states?

If so, Russia ranks 2nd. 1st would be our own stupid ass selves.

Romney was correct with this statement. Russia was then the greatest foreign threat to our democracy, and still is.

This doesn't change that Trump is a Russian patsy and we have a whole bunch of fucking morons who still support him because of their own secret and/or subconscious dislike for brown people. ALAS... mittens (who most anyone left in the GOP never liked to begin with) was right.

If we remove the nation state requirement, I think the list goes something like this...

1. Climate change
2. Automation
3. Income inequality

4. Our own fucking stupidity (this is an all encompassing category that includes, but is not limited to, guns, white nationalism taking over an entire political party, political absolutism on both sides, Citizens United, etc. etc.)
5. Russia
6. Bears
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Can probably throw Ebola into this list. I don’t think it gets nearly the attention it deserves.

And it’s certainly getting no attention from our government
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“Now I am going to sign this bill into law, and I don’t know if this stage will hold it, but if it doesn’t, we are not falling very far,” Trump declared, motioning down towards the structure.

He continued: “I would like to ask the families, and I would also like to ask the First Responders to stand up. And we’ll give this stage a shot. Let’s see how well built—Made in America, let’s see how well-built it is. Okay?”
Here's our great patriotic leader making a joke about a structure collapsing at... checks notes... a fucking bill signing for 9/11 First Responders.
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Can probably throw Ebola into this list. I don’t think it gets nearly the attention it deserves.

And it’s certainly getting no attention from our government
Ehhhhh if we're only speaking of current threats to the US, unless it were to become airborne, Ebola is fairly low on the list.

Fucking morons who don't vaccinate their children? That can be added to the "cause we're idiots" category of threats.
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But never mind, Mrs. Garrison, never mind. Who cares what was said then?

Or Mr. Mueller's confident testimony last week in Congress, even.

Who cares?
Those comments certainly haven't aged very well have they?
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What does this even mean? But one time Obama said something to a Russian?

Shouldn’t you be worrying about Hillary’s emails and telling women to smile more often?
Just a bit of friendly advice, you might want to let go of your Hillary obsession and get on with your life
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Just a bit of friendly advice, you might want to let go of your Hillary obsession and get on with your life



But Obama quotes from pre-2012 that have nothing to do with anything are totally fine to bring up.
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But Obama quotes from pre-2012 that have nothing to do with anything are totally fine to bring up.
Unlike Hillary, Obama was actually president, and despite his mockery of candidate Romney in the video, he apparently had less knowledge regarding the nature of Russia's intentions than candidate Romney at that point in time. So yeah, it's still relevant given some of the hyperbole posted here.
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Are we simply talking nation states?

If so, Russia ranks 2nd. 1st would be our own stupid ass selves.

Romney was correct with this statement. Russia was then the greatest foreign threat to our democracy, and still is.

This doesn't change that Trump is a Russian patsy and we have a whole bunch of fucking morons who still support him because of their own secret and/or subconscious dislike for brown people. ALAS... mittens (who most anyone left in the GOP never liked to begin with) was right.

If we remove the nation state requirement, I think the list goes something like this...

1. Climate change
2. Automation
3. Income inequality

4. Our own fucking stupidity (this is an all encompassing category that includes, but is not limited to, guns, white nationalism taking over an entire political party, political absolutism on both sides, Citizens United, etc. etc.)
5. Russia
6. Bears


Or if we start adding requirements... militarily... socially... culturally... economically... Russia isn’t first. Russia is just actively attacking in a very loud and pronounced way.
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