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Old 08-06-2019, 08:56 PM   #201
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Waiting for his next real terrible exclamation. How many hours, days? Just listening to him give his respond- so mechanical (here, mr president- go read this -this is how you are supposed to sound).
Ugh, he's going to both places. Consoler-in- chief; ha! After you turned over the damn rocks! Screw you, bastard.

Then the fucking "headstones" and now AOC's cardboard cutout.

Thanks for that really good (awful & true) cartoon, irving.
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Waiting for his next real terrible exclamation. How many hours, days? Just listening to him give his respond- so mechanical (here, mr president- go read this -this is how you are supposed to sound).
Ugh, he's going to both places. Consoler-in- chief; ha! After you turned over the damn rocks! Screw you, bastard.
Speaks to just how utterly shitty and cruel Trump has been that a town that's just suffered a significant tragedy doesn't want him to come visit them. Since he is going, though, I hope the townspeople don't hold back in letting him know what they think of him.

And hey, maybe Trump can say the wrong name of this town, too!*

Also, regarding his "I'm clearly reading this off a teleprompter" speech-remember how the right bellyached about Obama using a teleprompter? Amazing how their tune's changed since then, huh?

*Trump, I expect to botch up the name of a town. Even when he's reading it off a teleprompter. But the fact that Biden did the same on Twitter is just...sad.
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Waiting for his next real terrible exclamation. How many hours, days? Just listening to him give his respond- so mechanical (here, mr president- go read this -this is how you are supposed to sound).
Ugh, he's going to both places. Consoler-in- chief; ha! After you turned over the damn rocks! Screw you, bastard.

Then the fucking "headstones" and now AOC's cardboard cutout.

Thanks for that really good (awful & true) cartoon, irving.
You never have to wait long:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...Fid%3D64821042
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I think I've made it fairly clear that I'm personally more than fine with insulting Trump voters and calling them out for being racist assholes.

The candidate should stick to attacking Trump and his policies.

Saying that a policy is racist and why it is racist is different than saying "everyone who voted in 2016 for Trump is racist" or "if you're thinking of voting for Trump again you're a moron and you're a racist."

And worrying about non voters is a pipe dream. You should always try to turn people out to vote who have never voted before. The democratic candidate absolutely should try to turn out non voters - but relying upon that is a recipe for diaster. It's like relying on the youth vote. Great in theory, horrible idea in practice.

"Give them something to vote for" is a great thought.

If the shit that's going on right now isn't enough to drive people to the polls, nothing is. Nobody can possibly make the "they're all the same" argument this time around. Anyone who doesn't vote to remove this asshole is as complicit as those who vote for him.

This isn't to downplay policy and the importance of ideas. We need fresh ideas and fresh candidates and not the same old retreads.

The single most important issue in 2020 is to win.

He can not be allowed to return.
This is the balance. You don't need to brand people who voted for Trump as racist assholes. But the candidates do need to repeat over and over that Trump himself is the racist asshole and a danger to our society. That will then create the overall effect of making anyone who would vote for him THIS time, has to make a choice. Am I going to vote for a racist asshole who is a danger to our country, or am I not.

Beyond that, yes, the candidates have to give voters something to vote for. But as much of a complete shit-show that the last debate was, if you look at it, the candidates that will make it to the next round are all presenting policies that are starkly different than what is happening now under Trump. Environmental plans, criminal justice plans, healthcare plans, gun reform plans, educational cost plans - the list goes on.

So the balance is branding the president as what he is, a white nationalist hate monger, while simultaneously putting forward ideas that will help people in their everyday lives.
If you strip away all the bickering that occurred about peoples past votes, or past positions as a prosecutor, or whatever, and look forward. You see there is broad agreement on what ALL of the Dems stand for (just in differing degrees).

Headache is correct. There is nothing more important than Trump being taken out of office. And just because voters might like one version of a healthcare plan, or a college tuition plan over another, at this moment in our history, the absence of Trump (and hopefully several Senators) is the most imperative action to be taken.
And this can be seen by the fact that "beating Trump" is still the number one issue for Dem voters.
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US Politics XV: Time to Mull Mueller Mania

And that’s why Biden remains the favorite. Right now, voters believe he can best beat Trump. It doesn’t matter a shit of MFA vs Public Option — especially not with a GOP Senate and the fact that everything will have to get Joe Manchin’s vote. It only matters insofar as it gets people out and voting Trump out.

The Senate is a problem. It’s a political body that privileges land over people. But it’s not going anywhere all.
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And the only chance you have of flipping the Senate this year is to win the white house in a landslide and hope the tide is big enough to carry enough seats. Even then it's a long shot.

To do that you need to energize voters who stayed home, and you need to flip voters who went the other way last time in a big way - namely white suburban women.

But in all reality the Senate will likely stay red by a small margin, while the house will likely get bluer.
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And that’s why Biden remains the favorite. Right now, voters believe he can best beat Trump. It doesn’t matter a shit of MFA vs Public Option — especially not with a GOP Senate and the fact that everything will have to get Joe Manchin’s vote. It only matters insofar as it gets people out and voting Trump out.

The Senate is a problem. It’s a political body that privileges land over people. But it’s not going anywhere all.
Yes, and the reality is that no matter what plans are put forth, they all will run smack into the wall of the Senate. I am hoping that some of the Dem pres candidate cast offs return home to run for senate.

I will say that with the latest tragedies, it seems to have brought some focus the Dems message and it feels that they are seeing the bigger picture of getting rid of Trump and not going back and forth on the differences between each other. This is the sort of shared force that the party needs to bring in voters of all types.
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And the only chance you have of flipping the Senate this year is to win the white house in a landslide and hope the tide is big enough to carry enough seats. Even then it's a long shot.

To do that you need to energize voters who stayed home, and you need to flip voters who went the other way last time in a big way - namely white suburban women.

But in all reality the Senate will likely stay red by a small margin, while the house will likely get bluer.
Interesting to see whats happening in TX. And this is pre ElPaso. We see 4 or 5 Repub retirements, and they say a couple more in the coming days.

I believe the news was showing a suburban district near Dallas that went 22 points for Romney in 2012, 6 For Trump in 2016 and 3.5 for Beto in 2018. If we are seeing a slide of that amount in other suburban areas of Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso, Arlington, etc... It could get very interesting depending on who is the Dem candidate, for pres and senate.
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The Texas suburban House seats could go the way of Orange County.

Beto O'Rourke and Julian Castro need to stop this vanity tour of theirs and run against Cornyn. His polling numbers are horrific for an incumbent, he is panicking and fundraising like there is no tomorrow because he knows he is highly vulnerable, and on top of that he's an asshole who has done nothing substantial in forever. Either one of O'Rourke or Castro with a good field op and $ support could take him on.
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Indeed.

But Julian Castro could go and do something dastardly like post readily available public information regarding political donations and ruin the whole thing.
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Also TX went from a 16 point win 2012 to a 9 point win in 2016, and that was with Hillary as the candidate, which after spending years in TX, I know that it is not a Clinton friendly along with all the other hits she took along the way.

I heard a strategist say yesterday that she is almost more confident that TX will go blue this time than she is of Florida. This of course would greatly depend on the candidate and VP choice.
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The Texas suburban House seats could go the way of Orange County.

Beto O'Rourke and Julian Castro need to stop this vanity tour of theirs and run against Cornyn. His polling numbers are horrific for an incumbent, he is panicking and fundraising like there is no tomorrow because he knows he is highly vulnerable, and on top of that he's an asshole who has done nothing substantial in forever. Either one of O'Rourke or Castro with a good field op and $ support could take him on.
THIS - I think Beto's response to the ElPaso tragedy sets him up extremely well for a Senate run, but at a national level will not do much for him.
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This is the balance. You don't need to brand people who voted for Trump as racist assholes. But the candidates do need to repeat over and over that Trump himself is the racist asshole and a danger to our society. That will then create the overall effect of making anyone who would vote for him THIS time, has to make a choice. Am I going to vote for a racist asshole who is a danger to our country, or am I not.
Similar thing can happen in state races, too. The Democrats running for any of those should highlight all the times in recent years that Republicans have run away from answering questions. Show news reports about how they refused to engage people at town halls a couple years ago during the attempt to repeal Obamacare, to the point of running away from the meetings. Show footage of them getting into elevators to avoid discussing Trump's racist tweets and attacks on members of Congress. In Texas and Ohio, show the footage from CNN in which Tapper said that they'd tried to reach out and invite Republicans in those states to come on TV to discuss the recent mass shootings...only to get no response.

And then while they're doing that, the Democrats that are running can and should also do everything imaginable to genuinely engage with voters everywhere they go. Attend any events and meetings voters are having, be out there openly talking on various media outlets about the issues affecting their states, stuff like that.

All of that will definitely light a fire under voters, and make their choice abundantly clear as well.
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Amazing that the self proclaimed "least racist person on the planet" had to include the parenthetical part.
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I hope everyone is cancelling their Equinox and SoulCycle memberships today.
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I didn’t even know Stephen Ross owned both of those.

Well, might as well boycott the Miami Dolphins while I’m at it. Not that that will sting too badly.
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Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.
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Oh, dear. My mom's a Dolphins/Marino fan. She would be so disappointed.
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Should we be ignoring the Pakistan- India spat right now ?
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