He's dividing the party to win the nomination, but then expects to receive the support of all the people's he's demonized along the way.
Sort of like all those centrist Dems who continually insult Bernie and his supporters?
LOL. I'm talking about the candidate. Not regular people. Do you see any of the "moderate" candidates badmouthing the DNC? Do you hear them criticizing independents? Or other voting blocks. Nope. But Bernie criticizes the very party he's trying to get the nomination for.
If Sanders loses a general election to Trump, there is no hope for this country.Lives have been improved and saves by the ACA, and it would have been even more effective had it not been sabotaged by the GOP especially in red states. It’s now very popular, and it became so incrementally. It’s taken 10 years.
I can’t imaging looking at the political backlash the ACA inspired in 2010 and 2014 and not thinking it will inspire the same (and more) if it’s the major policy platform of a general election candidate. I think a “people’s eyes will open once they see” misunderstands something fairly fundamental about not only what might be called a national “character” but also what makes the US a highly unique country, in size, complexity, and personality.
I think it’s a mistake to assume that when Sanders is the nominee and there will be a blue wave resulting in increased House control and 50+ Senate seats.
If nominee Sanders loses in November, and the House swings back to the GOP and the Senate swings further right, what will happen then?
When Ginsberg dies?
When Trump makes a play for a 3rd term?
It goes both ways, we just only talk about the Sanders ones. Because the "vetting" of Sanders didn't bring up shit that actually has an impact, so the chosen attack method has been saying his supporters are too mean.LOL. I'm talking about the candidate. Not regular people. Do you see any of the "moderate" candidates badmouthing the DNC? Do you hear them criticizing independents? Or other voting blocks. Nope. But Bernie criticizes the very party he's trying to get the nomination for, and criticizes anyone who doesn't get in lock step with his views.
Also, please go on any social media site and post a mild criticism of Bernie, and see what happens.
Do the same on a Biden or Klobuchar post and see what happens.
I think you will see what supporters are causing division.
If Sanders loses a general election to Trump, there is no hope for this country.
You're single handedly making me like Bernie less every day. And no this isn't me trolling. Just pointing out how exhausting it is to read your posts.and here we have exhibit A in the case of "some of you guys are turning into cartoonish parodies the closer sanders gets to the nomination".
And you’d rather test that hypothesis than run a candidate with a likelier chance of beating Trump?
Just pointing out how exhausting it is to read your posts.
Not at all! I think Sanders has by far the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. I'd be very concerned about the chances of anyone else, actually.
What about the suburbs though?Not at all! I think Sanders has by far the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. I'd be very concerned about the chances of anyone else, actually.
Trump's entire appeal was dressing up his act as "outsider status." Sanders completely kneecaps his case against the establishment. Add in the fact that Sanders inspires the youth vote way more than any other Democratic candidate, and is polling the best among minority candidates at this point (Biden still leads with older black voters, but that's really it), and I think it's easy to see why his coalition would be the most broad.The entire GOP and most of the Democrats don’t agree with you.
What do you base this on?
Trump's entire appeal was dressing up his act as "outsider status." Sanders completely kneecaps his case against the establishment. Add in the fact that Sanders inspires the youth vote way more than any other Democratic candidate, and is polling the best among minority candidates at this point (Biden still leads with older black voters, but that's really it), and I think it's easy to see why his coalition would be the most broad.
I fundamentally disagree with the supposed settled wisdom that the independents in the middle are what decides elections.
It is interesting to me how this narrative has flipped. From 2015 to about mid-2019, all I heard about was how Sanders voters were privileged white people. Now, I'm hearing all of this anxiety that Sanders won't get the votes of those very same people.What about the suburbs though?
So, he will out-Trump Trump?
I can’t believe in nearly four years the best we could throw up against Trump is Bernie Sanders.
I will eat crow. I will apologize and own it
But he’s going to lose, and lose bigly.
Trump had great success in 2016 hitting Clinton for being part of the establishment, supporting unpopular trade deals, and for a history of scandal. And she couldn't hit him for his sexism properly because of her role in attacking Bill Clinton's accusers. Sanders has none of that baggage. So he note only drums up support from usual non-voters, but he also removes ammunition from Trump's campaign.So, he will out-Trump Trump? Which was the same argument in 2016.
When he starts pulling in more than 50% of the primary vote, I’ll begin to see this point. I don’t mean that in a snarky way. That’s what he’s going to have to do for me to have any confidence in his GE chances.
It is interesting to me how this narrative has flipped. From 2015 to about mid-2019, all I heard about was how Sanders voters were privileged white people. Now, I'm hearing all of this anxiety that Sanders won't get the votes of those very same people.
I would also say that if social democracy is so frightening to white suburbanites that they will vote for Trump instead, the Democratic Party cannot possibly go forth as any sort of legitimate opposition to the Republicans.
I would also remind you that this was precisely what the Clinton campaign thought they brought as a winning coalition in 2016. Remember Chuck Schumer's quote? "For every blue collar Dem we lose in central PA, we will pick up two moderate Republican votes in the Philly suburbs. Same thing in Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin." Whoops!
But to answer your question: I don't worry about them because there just aren't that many upper middle class people, and because I don't think they're a reliable voting bloc anyway. If you get the youth and minority vote out, you will render any discomfort felt in those areas moot.
Trump had great success in 2016 hitting Clinton for being part of the establishment, supporting unpopular trade deals, and for a history of scandal. And she couldn't hit him for his sexism properly because of her role in attacking Bill Clinton's accusers. Sanders has none of that baggage. So he note only drums up support from usual non-voters, but he also removes ammunition from Trump's campaign.