US Politics XIX: Just an Echo Chamber Living In Your Heads

[womanfish]

The odds are incredibly stacked against Bloomberg and a poll showing him in third isn’t enough. I would suspect this type of poll lends favorably to a brokered convention.

I'm not sure i understand where you're coming from. A guy who hasn't been in a primary or a debate just hit 15% and has the second highest support among black voters, when that was supposed to be his achilles heel.
He now leads the field in the head to heads against Trump. He has almost a 1000 staffers in over 30 states. And he has unlimited financial resources.

I don't think it's so much that the odds are incredibly stacked against him, as i think it's his race to lose.

The only real wild card for Bloomberg is how long other candidates stay in.

 

[womanfish]

Well, yea. They have zero rules anymore and will play to win at all costs.

Meanwhile Liz Warren's going on TV and refusing to give a reason why she's better ta Bernie because, oh my gosh, she told the truth once and got lambasted for it. Heavens.

The Republicans are playing to win and the Democrats are playing nice and discussing policy goals. In a sane and rational world voters would prefer to see thoughtful plans on how they'll pay for health care. That unfortunately is not the world we live in.

Yeah, I saw the same thing. Liz, Bernie supports aren't going to come to you! They moved to her briefly as a back up after he had a heart attack.
Get some ovaries and stand up and say, cause I'm a capitalist and hes a socialist. I want to make big change that will help working people while still making America the place that the world wants to do business. or something like that.

This seriously is why Bloomberg has more of an advantage then people know right now.
Usually once a candidate hits the debate stage and takes some lumps, they drop in the polls.
I'm betting now that Mike moves up after the next debate.
There isn't another candidate like him in the field. It will make clear to viewers that he's the one they have been waiting for to topple Trump. And it ain't Pete or Amy, Biden might have 6 or 8 years ago,
The people that think that you can beat Trump with reason and common sense, or logic or having better plans... Oh they are so wrong.

 

[BEAL]

Bloomberg isn’t afraid of Trump.

I don’t think Bernie is but I’m not sure he can adapt from his playbook. I am very curious if he wins the nomination if his supporters go after Trump and the MAGA crowd like they do anyone on the Dems side when they’re critical of Bernie.....

I think Warren has a sharper wit than people realize but not sure it works against Trump. Kamila Harris seemed better suited to debate him.

Bloomberg can hit Donnie where it hurts, the bank account.

 

[nbelcik]

I’m not even a Republican, I’m an independent, but I am conservative, but this lengthy diatribe does nothing but show how narrow minded and uninformed you are about not only history, but also the Republican and Democratic Party.



The Democratic Party is the party of slavery, the party of Jim Crow, the party of segregation, the party of the KKK, and the party of perpetuating the victim mentality. To the Democratic Party, women are victims, minorities are victims, every intersectional group you can think of are victims, or so the Democrats say.



Conservatives value everyone being viewed based on their ideas, not their gender , skin color, nationality, etc.



You, like most Democrats, are obsessed with identity politics, twisting yourself into a pretzel to mention race, nationality, gender, etc as every reason for someone u like not getting their way.



Yes, the party of racism (Democratic) STILL demonstrate this view by constantly lumping “the black community “ , or “brown people” as victims who need the heroic government to help with every aspect of their lives because “they can’t do it on their own”. That’s a soft bigotry that many people of color are noticing and getting tired of.



I apologize for the length of this, and most of the ignorant nonsense that this thread is, I usually just read for laughs, but this post was so completely ignorant I just had to jump in.

I’m a historian and you really need to google “Southern Strategy.”

I’ve yet to hear a conservative explain why 90% of blacks people vote for Democrats without resorting to the racist trope of “Democratic plantation.”

 

[womanfish]

I’m a historian and you really need to google “Southern Strategy.”

I’ve yet to hear a conservative explain why 90% of blacks people vote for Democrats without resorting to the racist trope of “Democratic plantation.”

Gzusfrk wasn't prepared for an historian popping up.

 

[nbelcik]

Read your history from actual sources, the parties never "switched platforms". Look up the "Southern Strategy" from somewhere other than Snopes. It's the SAME party, the SAME people.



That's why it's Hillary saying "they look alike", Biden saying "poor kids and white kids", Warren admitting that Democrats "only care about the black community at election time", not to mention all the blackface on Dems, THE PARTIES NEVER SWITCHED PLATFORMS. That's your liberal indoctrination speaking.



Scary....

There are literally quotes from Republican strategists, most notably Lee Atwater, saying that they were pursuing a strategy of appealing to the racism of white people. There are many quotes from prominent black people of the time, including Jackie Robinson, saying the Republican Party was becoming more hostile to black people. Historians Kevin Kruse and Matthew Lassiter argue that Southern Strategy is a misnomer since the strategy also involved a defense of de facto segregation and resistance to integration in the North. I agree with Kruse and Lassiter because the Southern Strategy went beyond the South. It was a nationwide effort by the GOP to appeal to white racists who didn’t want to integrate their communities and schools.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I'm not sure i understand where you're coming from. A guy who hasn't been in a primary or a debate just hit 15% and has the second highest support among black voters, when that was supposed to be his achilles heel.

He now leads the field in the head to heads against Trump. He has almost a 1000 staffers in over 30 states. And he has unlimited financial resources.



I don't think it's so much that the odds are incredibly stacked against him, as i think it's his race to lose.



The only real wild card for Bloomberg is how long other candidates stay in.

I’m coming from raw numbers and campaign modeling and forecasting. The effects of the recent changes in polling have done very little to improve Bloomberg’s chances, which are very little. Unless Joe Biden miraculously drops out before Super Tuesday, which... he won’t... another competitor in the race splitting the share at third or fourth place does nothing but divide the votes. Forecasts pretty much didn’t budge on Sanders being the favorite and didn’t budge on Bloomberg getting anything over a percent or so. They all have seen Biden in free-fall, and they’ve all seen that exchange prop up a stronger likelihood of a brokered convention. We are now sitting at a near 75% chance of either Sanders or a brokered convention.

 

[womanfish]

First results from midnight voting

Dixville Notch

Bloomberg (write in , not on the ballot) - 3
Sanders - 1
Pete - 1

LOL

 

[womanfish]

I’m coming from raw numbers and campaign modeling and forecasting. The effects of the recent changes in polling have done very little to improve Bloomberg’s chances, which are very little. Unless Joe Biden miraculously drops out before Super Tuesday, which... he won’t... another competitor in the race splitting the share at third or fourth place does nothing but divide the votes. Forecasts pretty much didn’t budge on Sanders being the favorite and didn’t budge on Bloomberg getting anything over a percent or so. They all have seen Biden in free-fall, and they’ve all seen that exchange prop up a stronger likelihood of a brokered convention. We are now sitting at a near 75% chance of either Sanders or a brokered convention.

In the last week betting averages went from Bloomberg 15% Sanders 41% to Bloomberg 23% to Bernie 42%. So over the last week, Bloomberg has had an over 50% gain. If Sanders gets tangled up in a very close 1/2 finish tomorrow night, it could start to get a bit tricky for him.
Bloomberg has 3 more weeks to carpet bomb the super tuesday states, with plenty of staff on the ground. Bloomberg has the ability to get traction in states that Bernie usually would do the best in, and someone like Biden wouldn't.

Again, so much for Bloomberg is dependent on who leaves the race and when. But I think Bernie has a ceiling . There is a lot of talk about "lanes" in the race. And right now there is a Bernie lane and a not Bernie lane.
This doesn't bode well for Sanders. I would guess that whenever there is a drop out, 75% of those voters eventually shift to Bloomberg, if not more. Because they would have been with Bernie at this point if they wanted to. But they chose any other candidate but him.

Why do I say eventually? Ok, we know the bottom ones will drop soon. Bennet, and Yang. and Patrick.
Steyer will drop out after super Tuesday as hopefully Tulsi will.
I predict that Amy and Pete will also call it quits post super tuesday.
That's 20 points, probably 15 going to Bloomberg, and 5 to Sanders.
Biden and Warren are question marks. Their departure will depend on how they do this month, and its unclear their future right now.
But they will drop out. There's another 35 points. 25 to Bloomberg 10 to Sanders

Putting Bloomberg at around 55% and Bernie at 45%
Much like the split between Hillary and Bernie

Yes this is all conjecture. Bloomberg could crash and burn in the debates. Bernie could have another health issue. Who knows. But I think we all can agree that at this point, all those people will drop out, unless some miracle happens with Biden, and he survives through super tuesday. Not likely. Praying he gets pummeled in the next few weeks.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

In the last week betting averages went from Bloomberg 15% Sanders 41% to Bloomberg 23% to Bernie 42%. So over the last week, Bloomberg has had an over 50% gain. If Sanders gets tangled up in a very close 1/2 finish tomorrow night, it could start to get a bit tricky for him.

Bloomberg has 3 more weeks to carpet bomb the super tuesday states, with plenty of staff on the ground. Bloomberg has the ability to get traction in states that Bernie usually would do the best in, and someone like Biden wouldn't.



Again, so much for Bloomberg is dependent on who leaves the race and when. But I think Bernie has a ceiling . There is a lot of talk about "lanes" in the race. And right now there is a Bernie lane and a not Bernie lane.

This doesn't bode well for Sanders. I would guess that whenever there is a drop out, 75% of those voters eventually shift to Bloomberg, if not more. Because they would have been with Bernie at this point if they wanted to. But they chose any other candidate but him.



Why do I say eventually? Ok, we know the bottom ones will drop soon. Bennet, and Yang. and Patrick.

Steyer will drop out after super Tuesday as hopefully Tulsi will.

I predict that Amy and Pete will also call it quits post super tuesday.

That's 20 points, probably 15 going to Bloomberg, and 5 to Sanders.

Biden and Warren are question marks. Their departure will depend on how they do this month, and its unclear their future right now.

But they will drop out. There's another 35 points. 25 to Bloomberg 10 to Sanders



Putting Bloomberg at around 55% and Bernie at 45%

Much like the split between Hillary and Bernie



Yes this is all conjecture. Bloomberg could crash and burn in the debates. Bernie could have another health issue. Who knows. But I think we all can agree that at this point, all those people will drop out, unless some miracle happens with Biden, and he survives through super tuesday. Not likely. Praying he gets pummeled in the next few weeks.

Well, “betting averages” aren’t a thing, and pooling averages of probabilities isn’t really a proper realistic truth model. Much like RCP polling averages, “betting averages” only really tell you how stuff is changing over time. Bloomberg moved up for bookies who are betting on something that they actually don’t know - like you’ve said, someone has to drop out for Bloomberg’s chances to be any higher.

Real truth models aren’t going to make singular decisions like that. They’re going to simulate possible outcomes based upon what data we have on hand - polling, historical polling and historical impact of polling at certain times, cash on hand, etc. etc.

FiveThirtyEight has a great forecasting model. They’re the ones who are using real forecasting models based upon historical and current info, not just aggregating polls which often get misinterpreted (and I do acknowledge that in your specific example the average of those odds is valid enough as they’re all the same, but the average would have no meaning if they were not). Check this out: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Long story short, it’s unlikely that enough candidates drop out before they do damage to Bloomberg’s (or their own) chances. Biden falling does little but make the field messier, and really opens the floor for more mayhem.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

In the last week betting averages went from Bloomberg 15% Sanders 41% to Bloomberg 23% to Bernie 42%. So over the last week, Bloomberg has had an over 50% gain. If Sanders gets tangled up in a very close 1/2 finish tomorrow night, it could start to get a bit tricky for him.

Bloomberg has 3 more weeks to carpet bomb the super tuesday states, with plenty of staff on the ground. Bloomberg has the ability to get traction in states that Bernie usually would do the best in, and someone like Biden wouldn't.



Again, so much for Bloomberg is dependent on who leaves the race and when. But I think Bernie has a ceiling . There is a lot of talk about "lanes" in the race. And right now there is a Bernie lane and a not Bernie lane.

This doesn't bode well for Sanders. I would guess that whenever there is a drop out, 75% of those voters eventually shift to Bloomberg, if not more. Because they would have been with Bernie at this point if they wanted to. But they chose any other candidate but him.



Why do I say eventually? Ok, we know the bottom ones will drop soon. Bennet, and Yang. and Patrick.

Steyer will drop out after super Tuesday as hopefully Tulsi will.

I predict that Amy and Pete will also call it quits post super tuesday.

That's 20 points, probably 15 going to Bloomberg, and 5 to Sanders.

Biden and Warren are question marks. Their departure will depend on how they do this month, and its unclear their future right now.

But they will drop out. There's another 35 points. 25 to Bloomberg 10 to Sanders



Putting Bloomberg at around 55% and Bernie at 45%

Much like the split between Hillary and Bernie



Yes this is all conjecture. Bloomberg could crash and burn in the debates. Bernie could have another health issue. Who knows. But I think we all can agree that at this point, all those people will drop out, unless some miracle happens with Biden, and he survives through super tuesday. Not likely. Praying he gets pummeled in the next few weeks.

I'm fully in support of Bloomberg and I think there's great momentum building for him.

He's still a long shot.

Things have to break a certain way here, and some of these other moderate candidates need to drop out.

Currently the scenarios in which Sanders wins the nomination are greater than those in which Bloomberg does - especially if Warren drops before any of the three moderates.

Bloomberg is attempting a course that has not been done before. A lot of shit has to break a certain way. Until he starts winning delegates, he's still a long shot

 

[mikal]

I’m listening to Mayor Pete on MSNBC XM channel and it finally hit me who he sounds like!

 

[anitram]

Bloomberg established a data mining company called Hawkfish last year. They have well over 100 employees now, including the former CIO of Goldman Sachs and poached numerous Facebook data collection, mining and marketing people. If any of you watched the Brexit movie with Benedict Cumberbatch, you'll have a good sense of the sheer power of data and targeted marketing. They are also still aggressively hiring people and almost nobody is talking about it.

Bloomberg made his billions on a proprietary data platform which goes at $30ish K a year and has hundreds of thousands of users. There is nobody better in this world than him when it comes to this sort of thing. He is playing a real and aggressive game here and he's not throwing $ into the wind. We all laughed when he entered the race and he's now polling with the top of the pack having never been on a primary ballot and having not participated in a single debate. Why? Because he knows what we don't - what the data shows, at a depth probably 10 levels beyond what the public pollsters are looking at.

 

[womanfish]

Well, “betting averages” aren’t a thing, and pooling averages of probabilities isn’t really a proper realistic truth model. Much like RCP polling averages, “betting averages” only really tell you how stuff is changing over time. Bloomberg moved up for bookies who are betting on something that they actually don’t know - like you’ve said, someone has to drop out for Bloomberg’s chances to be any higher.

Real truth models aren’t going to make singular decisions like that. They’re going to simulate possible outcomes based upon what data we have on hand - polling, historical polling and historical impact of polling at certain times, cash on hand, etc. etc.

FiveThirtyEight has a great forecasting model. They’re the ones who are using real forecasting models based upon historical and current info, not just aggregating polls which often get misinterpreted (and I do acknowledge that in your specific example the average of those odds is valid enough as they’re all the same, but the average would have no meaning if they were not). Check this out: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Long story short, it’s unlikely that enough candidates drop out before they do damage to Bloomberg’s (or their own) chances. Biden falling does little but make the field messier, and really opens the floor for more mayhem.

Thanks for the link! I'll check it out.
It does seem that any way this shakes out today, We are looking at a messy path forward.

 

[womanfish]

Bloomberg established a data mining company called Hawkfish last year. They have well over 100 employees now, including the former CIO of Goldman Sachs and poached numerous Facebook data collection, mining and marketing people. If any of you watched the Brexit movie with Benedict Cumberbatch, you'll have a good sense of the sheer power of data and targeted marketing. They are also still aggressively hiring people and almost nobody is talking about it.

Bloomberg made his billions on a proprietary data platform which goes at $30ish K a year and has hundreds of thousands of users. There is nobody better in this world than him when it comes to this sort of thing. He is playing a real and aggressive game here and he's not throwing $ into the wind. We all laughed when he entered the race and he's now polling with the top of the pack having never been on a primary ballot and having not participated in a single debate. Why? Because he knows what we don't - what the data shows, at a depth probably 10 levels beyond what the public pollsters are looking at.

This sort of echos what I said a week or so back. But you say it much better. LOL.
I said that I don't think that Bloomberg will allow himself to lose. I don't think someone goes into a billion dollar or more process without some confidence that we aren't fully understanding.

Think about it. Before he got in, and word leaked that he was doing polling first to see if he would jump in. I thought. Hahahaha, yeah, go ahead and poll away Mike, I think you're going to see that you're not wanted.
Then a couple weeks later he jumps in.
I'm thinking, I don't know what polls he's looking at, but I can't imagine that they can be good.
There's no way he's going to get black voter support.

And now reading your post I see. It's not just "doing some polling".

I still wonder if the one thing all of his models can't predict. And that's ego. The ego of presidential nominees, that want to hang on as long as they can, even when they know they can't win. Michael Bennett anyone? Tulsi the traitor? Yang, Yang, and Yang. They should be gone already.

 

[Irvine511]

I’m really looking forward to the surge of traditional non-voters who are going to flood the polls today in support of Bernie.

How big do we expect turnout to be? Huge, right?

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Bloomberg established a data mining company called Hawkfish last year. They have well over 100 employees now, including the former CIO of Goldman Sachs and poached numerous Facebook data collection, mining and marketing people. If any of you watched the Brexit movie with Benedict Cumberbatch, you'll have a good sense of the sheer power of data and targeted marketing. They are also still aggressively hiring people and almost nobody is talking about it.

Bloomberg made his billions on a proprietary data platform which goes at $30ish K a year and has hundreds of thousands of users. There is nobody better in this world than him when it comes to this sort of thing. He is playing a real and aggressive game here and he's not throwing $ into the wind. We all laughed when he entered the race and he's now polling with the top of the pack having never been on a primary ballot and having not participated in a single debate. Why? Because he knows what we don't - what the data shows, at a depth probably 10 levels beyond what the public pollsters are looking at.

This is why he has a chance.

He's going to have to answer for stop and frisk. I imagine the NYPD's involvement in surveillance of the Muslim community will be an issue in the primaries as well. Neither will play in the general, especially when compared to Trump's record, but both will be major hurdles in the primary.

The irony of stop and frisk is that it was a data driven approach - as most things with Bloomberg tend to be. I imagine this will be the defacto defense by his surrogates, while he apologizes publicly. It'll be controversial, but I don't see it as a deal breaker in the general. Again - we're talking about a program that was, in hindsight, wrong - but was aimed at reducing gun violence. Police were sent to the areas where the gun violence was. Those neighborhoods we're almost entirely minority. It was effective, but ultimately eroded trust.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Also Trump thinks the revolutionary war began in New Hampshire. Cause Trump.

 

[womanfish]

I’m really looking forward to the surge of traditional non-voters who are going to flood the polls today in support of Bernie.

How big do we expect turnout to be? Huge, right?

Lawrence O'Donnell said something this morning that sort of goes along with that.
He pointed out that Sanders has lost half of his support since 2016. He ran at about 47-48% nationally last time, 23-25 this time. NH, 60% last time, 27-30 this time.

Iowa turnout was pretty flat. NH sounds like it may be as well. I am not really concerned about the turnout numbers. I think that it reflects that a lot of voters like a lot of the candidates and just want to get to a nominee that will beat Trump. There isn't a singular figure that is energizing the party. Sanders wants to be that person, but it's not turning out that way.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Lawrence O'Donnell said something this morning that sort of goes along with that.

He pointed out that Sanders has lost half of his support since 2016. He ran at about 47-48% nationally last time, 23-25 this time. NH, 60% last time, 27-30 this time.



Iowa turnout was pretty flat. NH sounds like it may be as well. I am not really concerned about the turnout numbers. I think that it reflects that a lot of voters like a lot of the candidates and just want to get to a nominee that will beat Trump. There isn't a singular figure that is energizing the party. Sanders wants to be that person, but it's not turning out that way.

I'm incredibly concerned about turnout right now.

I also think that every candidate in these two primaries is missing the boat here by not making the election about the issue that is the #1 most important issue to the majority of voters - removing Trump.

The general public cares deeply about their health care. They don't care about which left leaning health care plan is leftier than the other. The hardcore very involved do. The majority don't. They want to be inspired by someone, and so far nobody is bringing that to the table.

 

[Irvine511]

This is why he has a chance.

He's going to have to answer for stop and frisk. I imagine the NYPD's involvement in surveillance of the Muslim community will be an issue in the primaries as well. Neither will play in the general, especially when compared to Trump's record, but both will be major hurdles in the primary.

The irony of stop and frisk is that it was a data driven approach - as most things with Bloomberg tend to be. I imagine this will be the defacto defense by his surrogates, while he apologizes publicly. It'll be controversial, but I don't see it as a deal breaker in the general. Again - we're talking about a program that was, in hindsight, wrong - but was aimed at reducing gun violence. Police were sent to the areas where the gun violence was. Those neighborhoods we're almost entirely minority. It was effective, but ultimately eroded trust.

In the general, and amongst whites, especially moderate-to-conservative whites, stop-and-frisk could be seen as a tough-on-crime/he-cleaned-up-New-York net positive.

We need to remember that, no matter how many times Gzus talks about his crush on Nikki Haley or how Candace Owens said something, most conservative whites — even independent ones! — are a little bit racist, in exactly this kind of way.

 

[Irvine511]

Lawrence O'Donnell said something this morning that sort of goes along with that.

He pointed out that Sanders has lost half of his support since 2016. He ran at about 47-48% nationally last time, 23-25 this time. NH, 60% last time, 27-30 this time.



Iowa turnout was pretty flat. NH sounds like it may be as well. I am not really concerned about the turnout numbers. I think that it reflects that a lot of voters like a lot of the candidates and just want to get to a nominee that will beat Trump. There isn't a singular figure that is energizing the party. Sanders wants to be that person, but it's not turning out that way.

In fairness to Sanders, he was running against only one person. But I think it does show that there was a quarter of the electorate were Never Hillary.

 

[womanfish]

This is why he has a chance.

He's going to have to answer for stop and frisk. I imagine the NYPD's involvement in surveillance of the Muslim community will be an issue in the primaries as well. Neither will play in the general, especially when compared to Trump's record, but both will be major hurdles in the primary.

The irony of stop and frisk is that it was a data driven approach - as most things with Bloomberg tend to be. I imagine this will be the defacto defense by his surrogates, while he apologizes publicly. It'll be controversial, but I don't see it as a deal breaker in the general. Again - we're talking about a program that was, in hindsight, wrong - but was aimed at reducing gun violence. Police were sent to the areas where the gun violence was. Those neighborhoods we're almost entirely minority. It was effective, but ultimately eroded trust.

I think what we're seeing in Bloomberg's numbers is that privileged white people will care more about stop and frisk than many African Americans.

Why? Because black voters don't just want Trump removed from office, they NEED him removed from office. There are white nationalists in the White House. We have an overt racist in the oval office. We have a corrupt AG. Courts being swamped with right wing judges. This is not like white people that can nitpick about healthcare, or need to find a candidate that "speaks to them" or some bullshit. It's about literal survival for them and their family.

This time, black voters are for the most part, looking at who can remove Trump. That's it. You can see that Biden had big support at the beginning even though he had some not so great history on racial issues. But he was the most electable.
Then, Joe drops 22 points and Bloomberg gains 16 points when he starts to tank. They didn't move to Bernie or Warren, they moved to Bloomberg. Because he's a racial justice champion? LOL. No, because he is the one that can win.

 

[womanfish]

In fairness to Sanders, he was running against only one person. But I think it does show that there was a quarter of the electorate were Never Hillary.

Well, yes. But it shows that 50% of his supporters were just fine moving to someone else. It plays very much against his constant mantra of building this Huuuge grassroots movement, and the sheer numbers of those people will be what gets him to the White House and also, he uses that as an answer when they ask how will his proposals get passed in the Houses.

That shows that this revolution is not growing, it's sputtering and I think he's damn lucky that Amy K is eating Pete's lunch right now, because if that hadn't happened. I think Sanders would have had a fight for the number one spot.

Now if Amy really surges and Pete finishes third. He needs to go. seriously.

 

[BEAL]

Iowa turnout was down compared to 2016, just barely. But we’re being told that youth vote was up a few ticks so that means they’ll finally come out and vote this time!!

Also,


https://twitter.com/gzornick/status/1227276397862932480?s=21

Click on it to see what’s weird. Didn’t post the full photo

 

[Gzusfrk]

In the general, and amongst whites, especially moderate-to-conservative whites, stop-and-frisk could be seen as a tough-on-crime/he-cleaned-up-New-York net positive.

We need to remember that, no matter how many times Gzus talks about his crush on Nikki Haley or how Candace Owens said something, most conservative whites — even independent ones! — are a little bit racist, in exactly this kind of way.

Got some data for that? Or just another ignorant, bigoted comment from one of the known bigots on this forum

 

[anitram]

Got some data for that? Or just another ignorant, bigoted comment from one of the known bigots on this forum

Have you got any insight as to why Trump's approval with black voters is basically non-existent?

Do you think they are all stupid?

 

[womanfish]

Have you got any insight as to why Trump's approval with black voters is basically non-existent?

Do you think they are all stupid?

Oh poor uninformed anitram. I guess you aren't familiar with the Democratic Plantation!

 

[Irvine511]

Got some data for that? Or just another ignorant, bigoted comment from one of the known bigots on this forum

Do you think it’s at all a stretch to think that stop-and-frisk as a policy is going to be more popular with whites in Ohio than Latinos in Jackson Heights?

It’s well known that conservatives are more racist. Even independent ones. If you voted for Donald Trump, you voted for a known racist who had appointed white supremacists like Stephen Miller into positions of power and was endorsed by David Duke.

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/mimirocah1/status/1227277857652715520?s=21

Agree. Might be more critical to go after Barr than Trump


https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1227278366409154561?s=21