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Old 02-15-2020, 07:55 PM   #521
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The point is that Biden is a terrible candidate and a disaster in the general. The guy can’t campaign, inspires poor turnout and can’t even raise $. Of all the moderates still in the race, he’s the worst. So he can win a bunch of southern states that are going to go to the GOP in November anyway. Who cares?
Well, yes and no.
I don't know about the "can't campaign" part. Sure on the debates he has been up and down. But during the general it's a lot of speech giving and the guy can still do a great speech. I think he has more energy and fire in him than Clinton could ever try to fake.
And while turnout might be an issue. This is a whole different ballgame than 2016. Removing Trump is the motivator. Plain and simple.
2016 was this mish-mash of Trump being this new and different type of candidate. People out there sick of the usual politician wanted were willing to give him a chance. People didn't think he could win, so they many voted in sort of a "protest" way, where they knew he would lose, but they weren't going to vote for a bland politician, with a worn out last name, who was under FBI investigation,

All that has changed. And the point of my post is not the he will most likely be the nominee. But just saying he is much more in the mix than Pete or Amy.

And not sure how he is a "disaster in the general." Truly the one candidate that has the most paths to victory. Not sure about Bloomberg, cause yeah, he could buy some paths.

But say Biden and Bernie.
I think Bernie can win. But I don't think he can win an overwhelming victory.
If he pulls off PA, WI, and MI - he wins by 18 points.
If he can't pull off PA, but gets the other two... Then what? What other state does he pick up? Maybe Arizona?? Then he would win by 20.
Any way you slice it, it will be close.

For Biden, his running mate will be crucial. I've said all along a Biden/Abrams ticket is very formidable.
Even with another running mate he could win PA, WI, MI, NC - a 48 point win, throw in a good possibility of FL and you would have a 106 point win.
With Abrams, take all those and add in GA - a 138 point win.
And Even TX would be very much on the table - a 214 point win.
The kind of win that would wipe out Trump and Trumpism for good.

Again, no idea how Biden will do this month. He may disappoint once again. I can't even begin to predict super tuesday with Bloomberg in the mix.
But I don't think that just scraping out a victory is what we need.

Maybe a Bernie/Abrams - could be put him in stronger position in the general.
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I think that Bernie can win (maybe narrowly) but my biggest concern with him aside from his age/health is that I think he’s be a negative on downticket voting. Particularly in battleground states. And given the obsession with ideological purity of his hardcore supporters I’m not convinced that they’d be reliable blue voters up and down the ballot either.
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I think that’s exactly what will happen. Bernie may win, but we’ll lose the house and have no shot at the senate.

Bernie on top of ticket will be framed - Socialism vs MERICA!!!

Trump is so hated that even a socialist can beat him but down ticket will be brutal.

2018 midterms, not a single Bernie/AOC backed candidate won. Dems retook the house on centrist policies. This was the direction from the top, fighting the progressive wing and it turned out to be the right move

I would imagine Bernie’s followers would eventually turn on him once he’s in office and gets nothing passed.

Lastly

Trump isn’t going to concede any loss.

Claims voter fraud
Filed lawsuits
Works with GOP states to produce “evidence”
Media plays along and contributes to its validation
Lower federal court (with Trump appointed judges) rule in favor
Dems have to appeal

Complete disaster
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I think that Bernie can win (maybe narrowly) but my biggest concern with him aside from his age/health is that I think he’s be a negative on downticket voting. Particularly in battleground states. And given the obsession with ideological purity of his hardcore supporters I’m not convinced that they’d be reliable blue voters up and down the ballot either.


This can’t be said enough.

The moral thing to do is to select a candidate who is going to overturn vulnerable R Senate seats.

“Socialism” will energize the right in the way that a black president did. Completely unfairly, but that’s the reality.
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I received a Twitter warning for telling Rudy Giuliani that I hope he gets AIDS this morning...in response to his tweet making fun of Hilary passing out.
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I received a Twitter warning for telling Rudy Giuliani that I hope he gets AIDS this morning...in response to his tweet making fun of Hilary passing out.


While the orange menace literally neurologically degenerates before our very eyes they’re obsessed with a fainting spell of a private citizen not currently running for any office.

Sick, the whole lot of them.

Never forget this after Trump is gone.
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This can’t be said enough.

The moral thing to do is to select a candidate who is going to overturn vulnerable R Senate seats.

“Socialism” will energize the right in the way that a black president did. Completely unfairly, but that’s the reality.
voting for sanders is immoral.

now there's a hell of a take.
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At that, I’ve noticed that pretty much nobody wants to engage my posts. If the point is to speak your mind and just have someone say “preach!” Or “this!” in response to your thoughts... 🤷🏻
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voting for sanders is immoral.

now there's a hell of a take.
I think what she's saying is that there is more to all this than a person. The larger picture here is the keeping the house and taking the senate. Controlling all three will be key in undoing what Trump has done and making sure the judicial branch is kept in tact.

The legislative and the judicial are the real ones that make actual change. The president, not so much. So having a president, that is hamstrung by a Senate that won't do a damn thing, or confirm any of your judges, pretty much is useless.

So yes, morally, I would back a candidate that will bring sweeping overhaul to the houses and thus the judicial, creating real change for years to come.
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I think that’s exactly what will happen. Bernie may win, but we’ll lose the house and have no shot at the senate.

Bernie on top of ticket will be framed - Socialism vs MERICA!!!

Trump is so hated that even a socialist can beat him but down ticket will be brutal.

2018 midterms, not a single Bernie/AOC backed candidate won. Dems retook the house on centrist policies. This was the direction from the top, fighting the progressive wing and it turned out to be the right move
Remember, Bloomberg funded 21 out of the 23 people that won in the 2018 midterms. He is focused on what is important. The houses
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I received a Twitter warning for telling Rudy Giuliani that I hope he gets AIDS this morning...in response to his tweet making fun of Hilary passing out.
i like how just last weekend you were pretending like you had some kind of moral superiority over the twitter bernie bros.
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i like how just last weekend you were pretending like you had some kind of moral superiority over the twitter bernie bros.


Dude. I have moral superiority over no one. I’m an asshole that talks shit all day all night. You know that. Rudy sucks and so do Bernie bros. So fuck you.
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Dude. I have moral superiority over no one. I’m an asshole that talks shit all day all night. You know that. Rudy sucks and so do Bernie bros. So fuck you.
so maybe don't be all fucking santimonious then about some bernie bros being "the absolute worst" because they booed hillary clinton or called buttigieg "wall street pete", while you're out there being proud of yourself for literally wishing AIDS on people.
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so maybe don't be all fucking santimonious then about some bernie bros being "the absolute worst" because they booed hillary clinton or called buttigieg "wall street pete", while you're out there literally wishing AIDS on people.


Awwww do you need a diaper change? I’m so sorry. The next time Bernie fans act like shitheads, I’ll praise them and talk about how great Guiliani is just for you.
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grow the fuck up, you sound like a teenager.
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grow the fuck up, you sound like a teenager.


Grow some thicker skin, lol! You’re too easy to rile up.
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I think what she's saying is that there is more to all this than a person. The larger picture here is the keeping the house and taking the senate. Controlling all three will be key in undoing what Trump has done and making sure the judicial branch is kept in tact.

The legislative and the judicial are the real ones that make actual change. The president, not so much. So having a president, that is hamstrung by a Senate that won't do a damn thing, or confirm any of your judges, pretty much is useless.

So yes, morally, I would back a candidate that will bring sweeping overhaul to the houses and thus the judicial, creating real change for years to come.
I love it, “the President, not so much”.....then what have you handful of keyboard warriors been prattling on about for four years, and hundreds of useless pages on an Internet forum? To think of the amount of hours wasted.
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Grow some thicker skin, lol! You’re too easy to rile up.
i'm not riled up in any fashion, that post was just flat-out stupid and childish. next time try something a little more mature than what you'd hear in a middle school cafeteria if you actually want to piss me off.
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Man, Bernie Bros are the absolute worst.
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