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Old 02-11-2020, 06:17 PM   #321
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You’re the moderator, go back to when Irvine said that Christians will kick a few gays , among other niceties.


here you go, pumpkin.

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Anti-LGBT groups on the SPLC hate list often link homosexuality to pedophilia, claim that same-sex marriage and LGBT people, in general, are dangers to children, that homosexuality itself is dangerous, support the criminalization of homosexuality and transgender identity, and that there is a conspiracy called the “homosexual agenda” at work that seeks to destroy Christianity and the whole of society.

Viewing homosexuality as unbiblical or simply opposing same-sex marriage does not qualify an organization to be listed as an anti-LGBT hate group.

Anti-LGBT groups primarily consist of Christian Right groups but also include organizations like National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) that purport to be scientific. Anti-LGBT groups in America have employed a variety of strategies in their efforts to oppose LGBT rights, including defamation. Many leaders and spokespeople of anti-LGBT groups have engaged in the crudest type of name-calling, describing LGBT people as "perverts" with "filthy habits" who seek to "convert" or “recruit” the children of straight parents into a “homosexual lifestyle.”

Others link homosexuality to pedophilia and claim that LGBT people are threats to home and society. Others disseminate disparaging "facts" about LGBT people that are simply untrue — an approach no different to how white supremacists and nativist extremists propagate lies about black people and immigrants to make these communities seem like a danger to society.

More recently, hardline anti-LGBT groups have promoted “religious freedom” and “religious liberty” legislation and legal challenges to justify anti-gay discrimination.

2018 anti-LGBT hate groups
View all groups by state and by ideology.
*Asterisk denotes headquarters.

Abiding Truth Ministries (Springfield, Massachusetts)
Alliance Defending Freedom (Scottsdale, Arizona)
American College of Pediatricians (Gainesville, Florida)
American Family Association (Franklin, Pennsylvania)
American Family Association (Tupelo, Mississippi)
American Vision (Powder Springs, Georgia)
Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (Naperville, Illinois)
ATLAH World Missionary Church (All The Land Anointed Holy) (New York, New York)
Bible Believers Fellowship (Worthington, Ohio)
Center for Family and Human Rights (C-FAM) (New York, New York)
Center for Family and Human Rights (C-FAM) (Washington, District of Columbia)
Chalcedon Foundation (Vallecito, California)
Church Militant/St. Michael's Media (Ferndale, Michigan)
Concerned Christian Citizens (Temple, Texas)
Conservative Republicans of Texas (Houston, Texas)
D. James Kennedy Ministries (Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
Faith2Action (North Royalton, Ohio)
Faithful Word Baptist Church (Tempe, Arizona)
Family Research Council (Washington, District of Columbia)
Family Research Institute (Colorado Springs, Colorado)
Family Watch International (Gilbert, Arizona)
Generations (Elizabeth, Colorado)
Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment (H.O.M.E.) (Downers Grove, Illinois)
Illinois Family Institute (Carol Stream, Illinois)
Liberty Counsel (Orlando, Florida)
Mass Resistance (Denver, Colorado)
Mass Resistance (Ft. Worth, Texas)
Mass Resistance (Torrance, California)
Mass Resistance (Waltham, Massachusetts)
Mission: America (Columbus, Ohio)
Pacific Justice Institute (Sacramento, California)
Pass the Salt Ministries (Hebron, Ohio)
Pilgrims Covenant Church (Monroe, Wisconsin)
Probe Ministries (Plano, Texas)
Public Advocate of the United States (Merrifield, Virginia)
Ruth Institute (Lake Charles, Louisiana)
Save California (Sacramento, California)
Stedfast Baptist Church (Fort Worth, Texas)
Stedfast Baptist Church (Jacksonville, Florida)
Sure Foundation Baptist Church (Vancouver, Washington)
The Campus Ministry USA (Terre Haute, Indiana)
The Pray in Jesus Name Project (Colorado Springs, Colorado)
Tom Brown Ministries (El Paso, Texas)
True Light Pentecost Church (Spartanburg, South Carolina)
United Families International (Gilbert, Arizona)
Verity Baptist Church (Sacramento, California)
Warriors for Christ (Martinsburg, West Virginia)
Westboro Baptist Church (Topeka, Kansas)
World Congress of Families/International Organization for the Family (Rockford, Illinois)

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...logy/anti-lgbt

and those are just the extremists!

there's also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

i mean, i could go on and on and on and on and on.

as for kicking gays to get votes, it helped swing an election a few years ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...esex.marriage/
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:26 PM   #322
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Wow. First exit poll from NH. Age split 18 to 40 - 30% 40+ 70%

19-29 - 11% down 8 points from 2016

Maybe all those people were there just to see The Strokes last night.
You need to step back from the ledge.

Old people vote more during the day. They're retired.
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:27 PM   #323
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i don't understand why the hell the dept of justice would meddle in the roger stone case like this and risk causing all these issues when trump could have just pardoned stone the instant the sentence was handed down and nobody could have done a thing about it.
Beeeeeecause we're governed by morons?
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You’re the moderator, go back to when Irvine said that Christians will kick a few gays , among other niceties. I shouldn’t have to remind you, but you didn’t care and don’t now when anti Christian bigotry is espoused here.



I was surprised/not surprised you didn’t ban him, anytime Irvine mentions Christians, just substitute Muslims, and see if you would step in.



Yeah, exactly.
Have you discovered right wing bizarro world Interference yet, pumpkin? I think you'll fit right in. We're just an echo chamber of liberal tears over here.
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You’re the moderator, go back to when Irvine said that Christians will kick a few gays , among other niceties. I shouldn’t have to remind you, but you didn’t care and don’t now when anti Christian bigotry is espoused here.

I was surprised/not surprised you didn’t ban him, anytime Irvine mentions Christians, just substitute Muslims, and see if you would step in.

Yeah, exactly.
I'm sorry, what was it you were saying recently about Democrats being the ones always playing the victim?

Anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention knows full well that the Christianity we rail against here is the religious right kind that tries to restrict the rights of LGBTQ people and regulate what women can do with their bodies and try and push their faith on everyone around them and things of that sort, not your average everyday Christians who are actually decent, respectful, kind people who know how to mind their own fucking business and genuinely live by Jesus' words of helping others. Get over it.
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Joe Biden just said screw it and left NH several hours before polls closed.
Time to pack it in Uncle Joe.
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Joe Biden just said screw it and left NH several hours before polls closed.
Time to pack it in Uncle Joe.


To think, the GOP made the presidency a dictatorship in order to protect a thug who tried to cheat against a politician who won’t even be the nominee.
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Joes a good man. He might have been the only one who actually could unite the party against Trump.

I HOPE Bernie is able to do it but he’s always been the outsider throwing his figurative bombs over walls. He’s never been one to unite.

While it’s still REALLY early, tough to see him losing momentum after tonight.

Though Bill Clinton didn’t win his first primary until the 6th one.

If Biden does drop out I’m curious how the southern states vote
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Early indications are that Biden is getting slaughtered
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You need to step back from the ledge.

Old people vote more during the day. They're retired.
And that would change from one election year to the next? ok...
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Do you think it’s at all a stretch to think that stop-and-frisk as a policy is going to be more popular with whites in Ohio than Latinos in Jackson Heights?

It’s well known that conservatives are more racist. Even independent ones. If you voted for Donald Trump, you voted for a known racist who had appointed white supremacists like Stephen Miller into positions of power and was endorsed by David Duke.
So true, though there also are some liberal racists sadly.

Some people posted Bloomberg's stop and frisk comments. I have research - i'm wondering whether s&t started under Giuliani?

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Have either of you tried it?

Although I’m racist against whites and come from a red state, I grew up on NY-adjacent pizza and bagels so I do know the struggle, but there are some options in the DC-area. I’m just trying to help out.

But, really, the thing that DC people like to hear most is people from NY complaining that DC isn’t NY. Because they thought it would be?
As s born & bred NYC'r - I find that strange. I mean DC is DC. And right on the Southern border, so how could it be NYC?
I love DC! So filled with so much history! Great Museums, too! Walking on The Mall, ahhhh. The reflecting pool. Lincoln Memorial (been there in the day, and at midnight).

I do feel bad for those of you too young to have visited it before they added so much more security barriers. I think it started after some guy flew a small into the White House (1st flr) during Clinton's admin. The barriers around the GW Monument hill, depressing.
When I stayed at a relative's mom's house (93?) I took a bus from Georgetown to some museum, and the bus zipped right by the WH. I was like , wow, you could just go past by it. Not anymore.
I've bern there by myself or with friends there maybe close to 8-10 times starting in ?71 , for fun AND at times for protests. It also snowed that day 6" by 6 pm. I was totally shocked and delighted while walking in GT to the bus seeing a Magnolia Tree with all it's leaves! It was the first time I hadn't been there in Spring, or Summer ; I had no idea it was a kind of evergreen tree!
Oh, yes, i've gone at Cherry Blossom time!
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You got some data for that?

And please, “actual sources” only.
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You’re the moderator, go back to when Irvine said that Christians will kick a few gays , among other niceties. I shouldn’t have to remind you, but you didn’t care and don’t now when anti Christian bigotry is espoused here.

I was surprised/not surprised you didn’t ban him, anytime Irvine mentions Christians, just substitute Muslims, and see if you would step in.

Yeah, exactly.
Glad Irvine schooled you with his list!

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I'm sorry, what was it you were saying recently about Democrats being the ones always playing the victim?

Anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention knows full well that the Christianity we rail against here is the religious right kind that tries to restrict the rights of LGBTQ people and regulate what women can do with their bodies and try and push their faith on everyone around them and things of that sort, not your average everyday Christians who are actually decent, respectful, kind people who know how to mind their own fucking business and genuinely live by Jesus' words of helping others. Get over it.
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Early indications are that Biden is getting slaughtered
My prayers have been answered! he's slummin' it with Tulsi G.
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Combine Buttigieg and Klobuchar and Bernie loses New Hampshire, a state he dominated in 2016, and the entire narrative is changed.

Time for some of these fuckers to drop out.
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Shaky Bangs is not that far from overtaking Mayor Pete. Who saw that coming....

And those two poll a combined 5% with black voters in SC.

Where are those votes going to go?

Bloomberg must be loving this.
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Bernie loses New Hampshire, a state he dominated in 2016
i was about to mention that he's currently winning by 6.5% and that there's more than two candidates running this time but i didn't realize this was the wishful thinking thread. my bad.
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goodbye Yang
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i for one am glad that he pitched the worst possible version of UBI so that generally bad idea never caught on even a little bit with the public (thanks to anitram for changing my mind about that).
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Gotta say, tonight is shaping up to be as bad for Warren as it is for Biden...
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Shaky Bangs is not that far from overtaking Mayor Pete. Who saw that coming....
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I did ;-)

I guess the math just didn’t work out for Andrew Yang.
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I did ;-)
The pulse of cold white people, I forgot!

I think Warren is done (but won't drop out yet), Biden is done (validating my opinion that he was an utter disaster from before day 1), and anyone below them is done too.

So where do we go from here?

Bernie is getting way fewer votes than the moderates (even if you give him all of Warren's voters which I think is a mistake).
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