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Old 07-21-2019, 09:22 PM   #981
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On the list of most federally dependent states.



Indiana - #10

New York - #31

California - #35



Looks like they should be running away from you freeloaders as quickly as their legs will carry them.



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I'm not a big Bernie fan but this is pretty silly. It's obviously understood that these jobs will involve many long hours.

On paper it would seem like I make a ton per hour, until you realize just how many hours I work in a week. Not an efficient way to make $.
this. in a normal week i work more than 40 hours but i still get paid pretty well as a base salary. however if i was working very long hours on a massive project like a presidential campaign it would probably look like i was making poverty wages too if you laid it out that way. but i would claim my hours worked after the project was done and my employer would pay it out to me.

sure, it's not the best optics right now. if he doesn't pay back the hours his staff worked, then yes it's a problem. if the campaign makes them whole on the overtime they worked at some point (like i feel 90% confident will happen) then there's absolutely no story here.
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I also don't know the relevant employment laws of the jurisdiction where these people are, but for example, my profession is entirely exempt from the concept of overtime.
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Im sure not going back to research- but to characterize Pelosi's career in such a general sweeping statement of hemming and hawing seems excessive..

NP and the squad have to try and understand each others POVs better. Their is a certain hierarchy and way of doing things as you step up in your activities as freshmen members. They have to understand that.
AAt the same time abnormal times such as our own with drumph & Co call for bending and breaking rules and precedents sometimes. Which i think the squad has a right, and impelled to do. I don't have to totally agree with them (though i probably do waaaay more than not) to really like them. I think NP has to understand that.

I do fear for their safety. As i do/did for Obama and Hillary. I put in the present tense because they are violent racist and sexist people who still could (the probabilities are way lessened since they are not in power) who could work themselves up into a larher and intend harm etc.

And BTW you didn't reply to my comments (maybe you missed them) - since you were talking about your Palestinian friends some months back - regarding liberal, progressive Jews (American and Israeli) working with the Palestinians to get better outcomes for them; stopping Israel's army from excessive force resulting in deadlier, or injuries period, or death, plus stopping more settlements, a fair 2 State soulution, etc.


But they still get drowned out by right-wing Jews! Hence J Streets formation.
Pelosi's career is about her wealth and power and the wealth and power of her friends and allies.

And a two-state solution is a non-starter because of Israel's illegal settlements. Unless hundreds of thousands of Israelis are going to agree to pick up and move, the only way forward is a single state solution. And the ball is entirely in Israel's court to try to take a humane approach to this for once.
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I don’t think Pelosi is inherently evil but I do think she’s got a lust for power and refused to step down in the face of changing dynamics, and by taking a stand she is responsible for fracturing the Democratic Party. She should have let someone left of her but central to the Democratic Party play ball - she and Chuck are easily the most loathed politicians in America. The whole right hate them and half of the left do... the party leader should be someone who at least most of the left can agree upon.
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this. in a normal week i work more than 40 hours but i still get paid pretty well as a base salary. however if i was working very long hours on a massive project like a presidential campaign it would probably look like i was making poverty wages too if you laid it out that way. but i would claim my hours worked after the project was done and my employer would pay it out to me.

sure, it's not the best optics right now. if he doesn't pay back the hours his staff worked, then yes it's a problem. if the campaign makes them whole on the overtime they worked at some point (like i feel 90% confident will happen) then there's absolutely no story here.
Well no shit people work longer hours than 40.

Of course it's mostly optics. But if you're all high and mighty about it, you can't have optic issues like this. It also plays directly into the hands of people who say he's all talk and no substance. That he has all these great ideas with no way to pay for them.

Perhaps if he took a more incrementalist approach, like others have, and set forth a goal of $15 per hour in a set number of years, rather than just going rarrrr rarrrr rarrrr fifteen dollars is so easy everyone should do it now rarrrrrr then this would be a non issue.

But if you're going to be Joe I'ma Fix Years Of Income Growth Stagnation With A Snap Of My Fingers then you best make sure you live up to your own ideals with your own staff.

This is a complicated issue that should have been dealt with decades ago. It's not going to be as simple a fix as some, such as Bernie, hope. This situation alone shows the nuance. But if Bernie wants to be "that guy," he damn sure better walk the walk.

The whole argument against big quick jumps to the minimum wage is that it will force companies to cut hours or workers. Some if that is bullshit, but there is some truth to it, specifically with smaller businesses... and that Bernie's own campaign is showing that truth is a huge dent in his own argument and that's not good.
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the party leader should be someone who at least most of the left can agree upon.
And this person exists?
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“You dicks ban all the brown people”.....do you ever listen to yourself?



Plenty of brown people live in Indiana. Plenty of brown people are successful without liberal policies. Plenty of brown people don’t need the overbearing and bloated “government being daddy” of liberal policy.



We also have a balanced budget and a surplus in the bank.



Maybe you guys should work on that instead of dog whistling about “brown people “ .
Oh sure. Your 84% white welfare state is just oooooooooozing with diversity. Heard you guys are just terrific with the gays, too!

Stop sucking off the federal teet, Indiana. Maybe go get a job and earn your money. We're tired of supporting you.
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And this person exists?


Yes? There are a couple of them running for President.
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And this person exists?
No, because much of the establishment of the "American Left" isn't very left at all.

Pelosi and Schumer are just almost parodies of how simultaneously corrupt and cowardly the Democratic Party can be. You could not invent better avatars for what the left disdains about the modern Democratic Party, unless you were holding up a Bill/Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden as ... oh, right.

Maybe the most remarkable thing is how, even with all the compromise, the Democrats are still very bad at winning. They don't understand how much the left has to offer in actual strategy that can help win. They think large swathes of the electorate want to hear about technocratic wonkery, when that could not be further from the truth.
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Politics in the age of information tends to polarization. It’s like trying to mix water with oil. If there’s enough chaos, it will mix, and when it settles, it will split.

That’s what happened to the republicans in 2016. That’s what might happen to the democrats if they win on a more left platform. If you ask me, Nancy falls from the Democratic graces of they win.
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Let’s just keep waiting for 2020

All we’ve done is assume the norms of government and society would save us

Trump would pivot to the center
Checks and balances of Gov
Comey will save us
Mueller will save us
Blue wave
The house will make life hell for trump
2020 we will win!!
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The checks and balances concept, and really the whole "three houses of government" thing, was built with two ideas in mind: 1) the two party system will never overcome the cultural divide between the north and the south, and thus the two parties will never unify on issues the way we see now, and 2) the Senate holding things up will always be a good thing because the elites know better than the unwashed masses.

It's a system that was never meant to fight against one party united to protect itself above all else, and never meant to fight inequality between the have's and the have not's. On the latter point, it was designed specifically to close the door on the influence of those without money, power, and influence.
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Meanwhile, ICE's acting director is openly complaining that Trump needs to stop bragging about ICE's raids so that they can more effectively kidnap people.

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The checks and balances concept, and really the whole "three houses of government" thing, was built with two ideas in mind:
The first thing that needs to be done is to expand/pack the SCOTUS. At a minimum to 11, if not 13. People then get all up in arms and say, yeah, but then the next GOP President will make it 15! Good. They should. First of all, the larger the court, the less influential and important a single seat becomes. We are literally in an age where all that matters in a federal election is the life/death of one SCOTUS justice. That is sheer insanity. With 11, 13, 15, 19 justices, you will have a much broader range of opinions and rulings. And they do not need to all sit in a panel, you can assign cases in a rotating order of 9 or whatever. Furthermore, the US is a massive country with a large number of cases that do not end up being heard due to capacity issues. That would also be alleviated if you had a larger and more active SCOTUS.

This change is imperative and so far I think that only Pete Buttigieg has openly come in favour of it. Could be I've missed some others.
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Pelosi ... she and Chuck are easily the most loathed politicians in America.
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The first thing that needs to be done is to expand/pack the SCOTUS. At a minimum to 11, if not 13. People then get all up in arms and say, yeah, but then the next GOP President will make it 15! Good. They should. First of all, the larger the court, the less influential and important a single seat becomes. We are literally in an age where all that matters in a federal election is the life/death of one SCOTUS justice. That is sheer insanity. With 11, 13, 15, 19 justices, you will have a much broader range of opinions and rulings. And they do not need to all sit in a panel, you can assign cases in a rotating order of 9 or whatever. Furthermore, the US is a massive country with a large number of cases that do not end up being heard due to capacity issues. That would also be alleviated if you had a larger and more active SCOTUS.

This change is imperative and so far I think that only Pete Buttigieg has openly come in favour of it. Could be I've missed some others.
Totally agree. Packing the court, statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, a national voting rights act ... these are all things that should be day one items for any Democrat running.
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I think his point was that Trump is at least uniting for most of those on the right, whereas Pelosi and Schumer are deeply unpopular with those to their left. Certainly Trump is the most loathsome, and the passion with which he is loathed is likely unequaled.
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Ignore the Trump wildcard. Not much love going toward Nancy. Or Chuck. Or Mitch. They’re the three options. I would imagine repubes are indifferent about Mitch... they have their Donald.
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I think his point was that Trump is at least uniting for most of those on the right, whereas Pelosi and Schumer are deeply unpopular with those to their left. Certainly Trump is the most loathsome, and the passion with which he is loathed is likely unequaled.


Certainly. By raw numbers, Trump is probably more loathed than all of them, but he has his base. Nancy and Chuck are floating out in the middle trying to make memes or something. They’ve arguably got the same 33% base the Donald has...
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