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Old 05-17-2019, 04:56 PM   #401
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US Politics XIV: Vote for Pedro

I recommend following Sarah on Twitter

I can’t recall a statement she’s made that hasn’t come true

https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/st...465986048?s=21

https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/st...496953856?s=21
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If anyone wants to do more to help the people affected by these recent abortion bills, by the way, here's a good site to donate to:

https://yellowhammerfund.org/

And if anyone has any other links to various organizations they want to share, feel free.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:26 PM   #403
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https://twitter.com/lizagoitein/stat...467233792?s=21

Pelosi will go down as someone just as responsible for all this shit as Senator

Her “not worth” it on impeachment is going to lead us down a path there’s no coming back from.

Is there anyone in the Dem party who actually has balls to do their job ?

Could AOC become speaker ? I feel like she wouldn’t have hesitated
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https://twitter.com/jaredbkeller/sta...884754433?s=21

This is planned for Memorial Day
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http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/biden-...reak-after-oba

Biden is delusional
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Anti-money laundering specialists at Deutsche Bank recommended in 2016 and 2017 that multiple transactions involving legal entities controlled by Donald J. Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be reported to a federal financial-crimes watchdog.

The transactions, some of which involved Mr. Trump’s now-defunct foundation, set off alerts in a computer system designed to detect illicit activity, according to five current and former bank employees. Compliance staff members who then reviewed the transactions prepared so-called suspicious activity reports that they believed should be sent to a unit of the Treasury Department that polices financial crimes.

But executives at Deutsche Bank, which has lent billions of dollars to the Trump and Kushner companies, rejected their employees’ advice. The reports were never filed with the government.

The nature of the transactions was not clear. At least some of them involved money flowing back and forth with overseas entities or individuals, which bank employees considered suspicious.
Oh, Trump's a money launderer. Oh my. I can't believe it. Nobody could have predicted that. I always thought he was such an HONEST BROKER.
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Oh, Trump's a money launderer. Oh my. I can't believe it. Nobody could have predicted that. I always thought he was such an HONEST BROKER.


https://twitter.com/amandionair/stat...934753281?s=21

And he’s getting away with it. Greatest con man ever ?
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What's particularly frightening is that this is more or less his platform as a candidate.
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I have to believe he’ll go the way of Jeb!

His polling is strong but let’s see where he’s at by the fall season

Still better than Trump but it would feel a little like Groundhog Day
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Jeb! never polled as high as Biden is polling. Not even remotely close. His high point was 22% and a 5 point lead over Scott Walker.
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Yeah, Jeb was not a former vice president. It makes a significant difference. Jeb's campaign was an all-time failure just for how much money was put in, but I don't really see an obvious comparison between any of the many Dem candidates and his particular situation in 2016.
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It's beyond delusional of Biden to think that once Trump is gone it will be kumbaya. He is just a symptom of a much more serious underlying disease. In fact it's a massive disservice that he's so revolting because it has concentrated everyone on him and not the deeply disturbing and significant % of people who support him and their true views about the world we live in.
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Look... He's appealing to moderates. I know I know, you don't have to blah blah blah. Except you do... that's how the Democrats took back the House in 2018. Suburbanites were the real difference maker in 2016.

The only way a progressive agenda is ever being accomplished in this country is to control everything. If you want any hope of controlling both houses, you need a blow out in 2020; a wave that carries a couple if underdogs down ballot across the finish line.

So yes, it's delusional to think that McConnell will change. Which is why you absolutely need to neuter him in 2020. The presidency is not enough.

A leftist is not carrying a wave, and thus will be completely ineffective in the White House. And the reality is the party that wins the White House in 2020 will probably lose at least one house in 2022. So if you want anything to get done, anything to get reversed... you need a fucking blowout in 2020.
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I was on the fence with impeaching Trump, because it won't remove him from office. I know it'll die in the Senate, but this is insane now! How many more impeachable offenses do the Dems need, before they do something??
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The tide turned against Nixon when impeachment hearings began. The public is too stupid to read anything about his crimes

This needs to be on tv

Democrats, think of the ratings!!!! HUUUUGEEE. BIGLY!!!
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It truly is amazing how Trumpism has played into the general laziness and stupidity of the American electorate.

A reality TV president needs his crimes presented in reality TV format for anyone to actually notice.
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Look... He's appealing to moderates. I know I know, you don't have to blah blah blah. Except you do... that's how the Democrats took back the House in 2018. Suburbanites were the real difference maker in 2016.

The only way a progressive agenda is ever being accomplished in this country is to control everything. If you want any hope of controlling both houses, you need a blow out in 2020; a wave that carries a couple if underdogs down ballot across the finish line.

So yes, it's delusional to think that McConnell will change. Which is why you absolutely need to neuter him in 2020. The presidency is not enough.

A leftist is not carrying a wave, and thus will be completely ineffective in the White House. And the reality is the party that wins the White House in 2020 will probably lose at least one house in 2022. So if you want anything to get done, anything to get reversed... you need a fucking blowout in 2020.
"We can't have a leftist, we need a moderate or else we could risk not getting power back."

"We can't have a leftist, we ran a moderate last time and they won, which is proof that moderates work."

It's never the right time for a leftist, according to the logic of the party that loses governorships and state houses and the Senate and often the House, and the Presidency last time. The people just fucking love moderates.
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It's beyond delusional of Biden to think that once Trump is gone it will be kumbaya. He is just a symptom of a much more serious underlying disease. In fact it's a massive disservice that he's so revolting because it has concentrated everyone on him and not the deeply disturbing and significant % of people who support him and their true views about the world we live in.
Ok, Ok. This is getting a little ridiculous now. I get it, there are several people on the forum who will take any sort of middle of the road, or bipartisan type statement from Biden and say he is crazy and out of touch and delusional!!!

But lets just try and live in reality for a moment. Let's get really crazy and imagine a wild world that a politician says something or promises something that people want to hear, but he or she really doesn't believe will actually come to pass. I know, this is WAY out there stuff. Politicians usually only tell the straight truth and never say anything hopeful or aspirational, knowing its pretty much a load of shit.

Of COURSE Biden knows that Repubs are not going to come together and hold hands and work to get things done for the better of the country. Just like Warren knows that forgiving every person 50k of their student loans just isn't gonna happen. But they say it because it makes people feel better, it makes them know what that candidate will try and do, even if it doesn't work. And let's be honest. If there is a true blowout in 2020, and its clear people reject Trumpism, and Trump is gone... Its a much better chance that some Repubs try and work together, even in some small way, than if someone eeks out a win by a small percentage and the Senate stays in Repub control.

Now in case you haven't been paying attention to what the non-Twitter portion of the Democratic party (about 80%) is looking for. It's to cut the shit, try and work together to get something good done for the American people. Make some headway with education costs and healthcare and protecting women's reproductive rights, and the environment, and gun laws, and sensible immigration, etc...

And like Headache pointed out. These Dem voters are the ones that brought the largest percentage victory in the history of midterms in 2018. Lots of these were independents and even moderate Republican women, that had enough of Trump. And these are the ones that need to be heard again in 2020. Cause god damn it, they VOTE. You can hear all the whiny twitter bullshit, and high school walkouts all day long, but they vote in horribly low numbers. It's all bluster and no action.

Right now, you see Biden 10, 20 points up because the large majority of the party wants stable, honest, sensible, knowledgeable, leadership that is open to working across the isle in some ways to get things done. Along with someone they know can win, and can stand head to head with Trump.

The statements we are hearing right now from all of the candidates are about branding, and trying to stake out the little section of the party for themselves. With this many people it gets a bit difficult to stand out.
Warren's statements about Fox News, Buttigeig about his journey as a gay man and how that plays into religion in our country now, Harris on equal pay, Biden on restoring the country to a pre-Trump normalcy, Sanders on wealth inequality, etc...

I for one, just want the debates to start. I want to see who will shine, and who will head for the exits.
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"We can't have a leftist, we need a moderate or else we could risk not getting power back."

"We can't have a leftist, we ran a moderate last time and they won, which is proof that moderates work."

It's never the right time for a leftist, according to the logic of the party that loses governorships and state houses and the Senate and often the House, and the Presidency last time. The people just fucking love moderates.
Seriously?

Democrats flipped seven governorships, six state legislative chambers, and more than 300 state House and Senate seats on election night.

In some states, the consequences are obvious. Maine elected Democrat Janet Mills (Moderate) as its next governor and put Democrats in complete control of the Maine Legislature, which should bring a rapid end to a year-long fight over Medicaid expansion in the state. Tens of thousands of low-income Mainers should soon get health insurance, now that Republican Gov. Paul LePage’s obstruction of a voter-approved ballot referendum is coming to an end, and 70,000 people will gain health insurance.

Democrats even made some important gains in states where they didn’t win legislative control. In Pennsylvania, for example, they merely broke the GOP supermajority in the Senate. After Pennsylvania Republicans last year considered impeaching the state judges who ruled that the state’s congressional maps should be redrawn — which would have required a supermajority in the Senate — that is still a notable achievement for Democrats. Gretchen Whitmer will have to contend with a GOP legislature as Michigan governor, but she still broke full Republican control over the state.

The biggest changes will come in states where Democrats won legislative chambers and the governor’s office. Democrats secured trifectas — control of the governor’s mansion and both state legislative chambers — in Maine, Connecticut, Colorado, Illinois, Nevada, New Mexico, and New York on election night. They will now have total control of 13 states, versus 21 states under full Republican control.

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So, how many "leftist" victories have we seen that show how much people fucking love leftists? The proof is in who actually wins right? If a leftist can't even win the nomination or primary... than the support just isn't there. It's not a grand conspiracy, its the will of the electorate.
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"We can't have a leftist, we ran a moderate last time and they won, which is proof that moderates work."



It's never the right time for a leftist, according to the logic of the party that loses governorships and state houses and the Senate and often the House, and the Presidency last time. The people just fucking love moderates.
We've had this discussion already. This presidency has proven that the office of the president can be highly effective as an empty vessel. He or she is needed to direct the ship in time of crisis, not be a complete fuck up, and help push the agenda of the party who voted said candidate in.

You need to win elections. We are too vast a nation with too many differing opinions for a one size fits all approach to NATIONAL elections. The GOP has understood this for years. It's what put the Democrats back in control of the house in 2018.

The agenda is what matters, not the candidate.

If there's a candidate who appeals to a broad swath of the electorate, then that's the best candidate. It's then on the Democratic leadership to advance the agenda.

I fully agree that the Democratic party needs to have a more progressive agenda for the country. We certainly disagree on how far left we need to pull right off the bat, but we can work on that. But in order to do this power needs to be grasped by any means necessary. A sweeping rebuke of Trumpism and the GOP as a whole must take place in 2020. If that means that the nice old white guy has to say some nice things about Republicans in order to swing voters (because again, he's not talking to politicians... he's talking to voters) than so be it.

The gerrymandering that led to the GOP dominance in local elections is being undone one court case at a time. Trumpism is driving even right leaning moderates and independents to the left. This is a time to seize power back, by taking the White House, and by putting the right candidates in the right races. That means leftist candidates in the +10 blue districts to push the agenda further left, and purple candidates in the swing districts to maintain power. And it means someone who can win in a rout at the top of the ticket.
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