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Old 05-07-2019, 03:16 PM   #261
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It's a fair point for sure. But I imagine the bulk of those jobs could be transferred to state agencies which would be running the state's public healthcare. That is a MASSIVE source of employment and budgetary expense here.
Right, I think a lot of proposals would start with the concept of essentially nationalizing the major private insurance companies, transitioning those jobs to being more about how to connect people with the treatments that they need.
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that notion's probably inherited from our british ancestors.
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Bernie has no such plan that he has shared. He just states what we need but gives no roadmap on how to get there.
But he has.

Not only has he proposed detailed Medicare-for-All bills several times, he has revised each time based on the feedback that he has received. His most recent bill made adjustments proposed by Pramila Jayapal in her bill to provide for long-term care. He took feedback from those who said his bill fell short for people who need it the most, and made the necessary adjustments.

The payment for the plan comes from a combination of increased taxes on individuals and businesses over the course of a four-year transition that essentially takes the spending they are currently doing for healthcare, and moves it to funding a Medicare-specific tax that is moderately higher to accommodate coverage for everyone. As you might imagine, more evenly distributed healthcare results in significant savings for all involved. Business owners will make a stink about not being allowed to write off their healthcare payments to employees on their taxes any longer, but they're going to save quite a bit on the individual costs themselves.

It's clearly a bill with the need to transition in mind, due to the four-year buffer, and it highlights options for current and proposed examples of the progressive tax. For example, there is a certain amount of money you need to make to even be required to pay this tax. (I believe it's something like $29,000 a year.)

Obviously, a big part of his plan, and really any plan to try to start fixing the US economy, does involve revising the tax code to have the wealthy pay more. That's the only way forward with any meaningful reform. If that's too much for you to stomach, I don't really know what to tell you.

The real difference between Sanders and those from the center-left are how they talk about it. Sanders doesn't get into the muck about the specifics of the finances because that doesn't rally people to vote. Clinton spent 2016 mostly talking about rhetoric (i.e. Donald Trump is rude!) and then saying "I have plans on my website!" She didn't frame the healthcare discussion beyond "Obamacare was a success that just needs some tweaks."

Sanders has plenty of plans too, but messaging has to be about health justice, not tax codes. I'm not sure why that's difficult to understand, and why it's interpreted as him not being able to back up his talk ... unless you're really just anxious about how feasible it is to take on the capitalist system. Which is fair! But that's a different argument altogether, and one that will exist whether or not you try to the half or quarter measures of other candidates.

We don't need a Rhodes scholar to tell us we can do this; most countries already do much better than we do with far fewer resources. There are plenty of proposals to outline how to do it, many of them quite good. Sanders has a plan; it's just a matter of whether or not you're actually on board with putting a real fight for healthcare rights.
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that notion's probably inherited from our british ancestors.


Comment of the day.

But yes, dentistry is entirely private, though I am not sure about people on social assistance. Maybe they get it subsidized.

All children in Ontario have free prescription drugs until age 18.
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exhibit #4,080 in the case of "joe biden doesn't fucking get it":

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1125846756393013248
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https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/112...673981441?s=21

Don’t tell me it’s raining...
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i'm tellin' ya there's a blockbuster movie here... BLOCKBUSTER

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It’s a good thing that we made sure these kids weren’t being used for trafficking....

Does anyone else think that’s something that is happening with this policy??
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"Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than any other tax playing individual"

So. Much. Winning.
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I'm watching Tucker Carlson because, eh, fuck it I'm bored.

This is some high comedy. They just had George Papadopoulos on to try and prove that the Deep State was spying on every republican, and the proof was because the CIA was interested in Papadopoulos when he worked for Carson, pre-Orange Douche Monkey.

At what level of self loathing do you have to be at to watch this and say "oh my god, the deep state was spying on every republican!" Vs "ummmmm perhaps it's because George Papadopoulos is a slimey bastard"
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Lol this shit is hilarious
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I wonder how many 60 year olds in Kentucky realize that the women's soccer player talking about being a warrior for her country in her USA jersey in thr first commercial after Tucker went to break is married to Sue Bird.

This puts a smile on my face.
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You've got a stronger stomach than I do, watching Tucker Carlson. I heard that story a while back about those comments he'd made some years ago in which he defended Warren Jeffs. That alone is enough to make me wish he could be dropkicked into a volcano.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Months before evangelical leader Jerry Falwell Jr.’s game-changing presidential endorsement of Donald Trump in 2016, Falwell asked Trump fixer Michael Cohen for a personal favor, Cohen said in a recorded conversation reviewed by Reuters.

Falwell, president of Liberty University, one of the world’s largest Christian universities, said someone had come into possession of what Cohen described as racy “personal” photographs -- the sort that would typically be kept “between husband and wife,” Cohen said in the taped conversation.
Happy days are here again! The pool boy stories are true!
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Couldn't have happened to a worse fella.
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jerry falwell dick pics and robert kraft handy vids both exist in this world.

we are truly in the darkest timeline.
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we are truly in the darkest timeline.
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There are as you said many different components of the Democratic base. College educated women, usually highly concentrated in the suburbs. African American voters, Latino voters, younger voters, LGBT, and for much of the party's history - Union members, which skew into that white working class area. But who are the most reliable?

The most reliable? African American voters over 40 (especially women). Right now, Biden is leading in that category by almost FIFTY points. College educated women are the next most reliable. Hillary did not do that well with them. But there was about an 8% shift to the Dems from 2016 to 2018 midterms.
Union/"working class" white vote has slumped in the last decade. Biden has a solid base of support there, so may gain back a healthy percentage.
The youth vote is a joke. Fools gold now and will always be.


oh, look. actual facts.

i literally have almost no feelings about Biden. but the above is very real, at least in this present moment.

successful Democratic candidates aren't driven by the base, they are driven by the creation of successful coalitions between different groups. that's who makes up the party -- it's not nearly as monolithic as the almost now exclusively white GOP which actually does win elections by motivating it's base. it's base is much bigger and much more single issue (abortion, guns). the Democrats do not have this. the parties are different. we aren't just one more clarifying critique of "capitalism" away from turning out legions of non-voters who, up until said upcoming critique, have refused to vote because they are disgusted by the system. these voters do not exist in any meaningful numbers.

2018 was a smashing success because the Democrats won with moderates. it really doesn't matter what i, Acela-corridor liberal, want. what matters is what will simultaneously drive up african-american votes in the cities and not alienate the white guy making $120k in the suburbs who has two kids he needs to put through college. because that's who votes.

i will literally vote for any Democrat nominated, and i probably lean Warren at the moment for a variety of reasons, and i'm waiting to commit until the debates begin and i see how people perform. but we also have to understand reality as it is and not as we wish it to be. using shame and sanctimony to draw lines in the sand doesn't make you good or moral. it just makes you insufferable.
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i don't buy this "compromise and small steps over a long period are the only possible way" notion. that attitude would have meant LGBTQ+ people would almost certainly only have the option of "civil union" today. we didn't accept a half-ass compromise then in the face of "it's too much too fast to ask for full marriage equality right now," and look where we are today.

equal marriage rights started with the AIDS crisis and was kickstarted in Hawaii in 1993. there were many compromises and small steps along the way, from Massachusetts in 2003 onward.

it seems fast, but only in retrospect. it took decades of gay people not demanding, but *explaining* their lives to people, creating points of connection and empathy. that took real, sustained work over a long period of time, and numerous political compromises. so much work was done to gradually lay the framework for the overturn of DOMA that this statement ignores.
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equal marriage rights started with the AIDS crisis and was kickstarted in Hawaii in 1993. there were many compromises and small steps along the way, from Massachusetts in 2003 onward.

it seems fast, but only in retrospect. it took decades of gay people not demanding, but *explaining* their lives to people, creating points of connection and empathy. that took real, sustained work over a long period of time, and numerous political compromises. so much work was done to gradually lay the framework for the overturn of DOMA that this statement ignores.
yea you're definitely right. i would never intend to demean or ignore the long history behind the fight for equality. i just wanted to make the point that we can't compromise into a situation that's "acceptable" to the GOP for the sake of getting *something* passed, because they'll never relinquish another inch beyond that point.
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