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Old 03-13-2019, 02:56 PM   #121
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It is no secret that I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton, but Joe Biden is a significantly worse candidate than she is. His entire political career is a perfect example of how much "Democrats" love being right wing.
I don't think that Joe Biden is the right choice this time around at all. It's like how sometimes people can be way ahead of their time, to me, he's behind the time here. Just a guy at the wrong place at the wrong time. The only reason he is polling well is because there are way too many candidates in the race and the vote is split in 100 different directions.
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I don't think that Joe Biden is the right choice this time around at all. It's like how sometimes people can be way ahead of their time, to me, he's behind the time here. Just a guy at the wrong place at the wrong time. The only reason he is polling well is because there are way too many candidates in the race and the vote is split in 100 different directions.


Early success in polling, if I recall correctly, tends to be very negatively correlated to odds of securing the nomination. Like peaking too early. If I remember this right, Christie, Paul, and Bush all at one point led the polls.
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yeah remember when we all thought that the primary was jeb's to lose? not even a year later and we were at "please clap".
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Warren leads for me. Buttigieg is interesting and I’ve liked his answers so far.

Biden will lead because that’s the narrative in the media.

I don’t think Joe would be bad, but I’m concerned over his age. And he’s part of an old guard that maybe it’s time to get away from.

But anything is better than Trump/Pence
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I don’t think the candidate has to be a women but I do feel like Joe Biden as candidate sends the wrong message on that front. As Peedrunk said, he’s sort of the epitome of an “evolving democrat” who just follows the center of our left and right through his career. Not exactly the hawk on anything progressive. The future needs a big kiss; show me Biden getting on his boots and I might change my mind.
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This idiot is baaaack you guys!

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So does Beto actually have any experience?
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Does he even have any beliefs?
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So does Beto actually have any experience?
Did Obama?
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Does he even have any beliefs?
No.

Except that America is now, more than ever "The last great hope of earth." I threw up in my mouth a little when I heard that.

Yes, the country that foisted Trump upon the rest of us and still approves of him at a rate of about 40% is our last hope.
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"The last great hope of earth." |
Wasn't that a song on Pop?
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To be fair saying "ya know, America kinda sucks and always has" wouldn't exactly endear oneself to the hearts and minds of the electorate.
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To be fair saying "ya know, America kinda sucks and always has" wouldn't exactly endear oneself to the hearts and minds of the electorate.


Sure but there is a middle ground between that and the verbal diarrhea he produced.
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who needs silly crap like experience and beliefs when you have a killer smile and a cool skateboard?
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I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but America is more than just a country. One could say, and I may be the first to bring this up, but one could say that it's more of an idea.
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No.

Except that America is now, more than ever "The last great hope of earth." I threw up in my mouth a little when I heard that.

Yes, the country that foisted Trump upon the rest of us and still approves of him at a rate of about 40% is our last hope.
aside from being stupid and untrue, that's actually pretty damn insulting to anyone who isn't american.
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I'm not trying to be an ass, I was seriously asking. Writing this post before just checking Wiki myself, but I thought Obama was a governor and short-term senator first.

Edit: state senate, not governor, my bad.

And I didn't realize that Beto served in the House, so that's what I basically wanted to know, it's almost the same situation as Obama.
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I don't think that Joe Biden is the right choice this time around at all. It's like how sometimes people can be way ahead of their time, to me, he's behind the time here. Just a guy at the wrong place at the wrong time. The only reason he is polling well is because there are way too many candidates in the race and the vote is split in 100 different directions.
pardon my lengthy post...

You may be right, he may not be right this time around. But I think a lot of people are getting this part wrong. Let's be clear. Trump won last time. Yes he lost the popular vote, but he won by the current Electoral system. Doesn't matter that California and NY racked up millions of more votes that didn't really mean anything in the end.
You hear this split opinion among the pundits. One will say, there really is no forgotten white middle class vote, the real key is young people and minorities. Then one will say, it's all about capturing the working class people that Democrats have failed to engage with since Bill Clinton.
From what I see in the current field, there is only one person that can bridge this gap and capture most of those voting blocks, and that's Biden.

Sure, the youth vote will suffer. But guess what? As much as we want to think that THIS time, they will turn out and vote. They won't. At least not in the numbers that other demos will. In 2016 18 to 29 year olds were at 42%. 18-35 year olds were under 50% turnout. 45 to 60+ year olds were at 70%. Middle age to older African American women turn out at almost 90%.

Look at the 3 states that handed Trump his victory.
PA - Dems won this state by 3 to 10% over the last 26 years. Lets just say, an average of 6%. So Trump flipped this state by almost 7 percentage points. Why? Working class voters, unions that had leaders urging their members to vote Dem, but voted for Trump. Lower than expected African American turnout.

WI - went Dem from between 1 and 12% for the last 26 years. Lets say avg of 6%. Trump flipped by 7 points again. A largely white, working class state with lots of rural areas.

MI - Dems won for 26 years between 4 and 13% Lets say avg of 8%. Trump flipped by almost 9 points. Major union and working class state. African American turnout was not near what it needed to be.

So i fully believe that this time, it will take someone who will speak directly to those voters again. And speak to them genuinely.
Biden does this like no one else. I'd say Bernie does well here too. But I think Bernie has the double edged sword with this voting block, where they are a demo that just won't fully get on board the Democratic Socialist train.

Take a look at Biden's speech he just gave to the firefighters this week. It went from wild cheers and chants of "run Joe run" to once he was speaking, you could hear a pin drop in that room. Because he has that thing that can capture an audience. That makes them feel that he is listening and understands you at that moment. Bernie has this, and i think in a way Warren, but not to the same degree.

I think if Trump showed us anything its that people are drawn to a talker. It's like a salesman. You can have one guy that knows a product inside and out, every spec, every benefit to the potential client or consumer, but they are scripted and stiff and they don't sell nearly as well as the guy that doesn't know as much, but can make the consumer feel good and confident in their decision.

So what's needed this time around is not only someone that has major pull with working class and moderate Dems that could swing to them or Trump and women, and minorities, but also is an unscripted, personality that can capture an audience and get them on board.
Biden has this. Booker is probably the worst in my opinion. He is this fields "please clap" candidate. Scripted to the tee, and selling platitudes that people don't want to hear right now.

I think if Biden chose Harris, or now maybe Abrams (who is thinking of jumping in) as his running mate, it would be a landslide victory. And it would set the running mate up to succeed him successfully.
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